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Labour MP's harassment

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POGS Thu 03-Dec-15 12:56:04

For a while now there have been reports of Labour MP's being bullied, harassed by left wing activists. They have been threatened with deselection, sent photos of dead babies to put pressure on them to vote on Syria etc.

Yesterday during the Syrian debate many Labour MP's made reference to this happening and Labour MP John Mann called for Cameron to apologise for his words but also said the Labour front bench should also apologise for the harassment the Labour MP's were recieving. Labour MP Stella Creasy literally left the debate to go to her office as the staff were receiving phone abuse and there were anti war campaigners causing them harassment. This point will be refuted by those who attended so we must all make our own decision as to whom we believe.

I mentioned in posts last night how disgusting I think this behaviour is on the Should we bomb Deash/IS thread. I genuinely feel very sorry for the Labour MP's and to be honest I think there is going to be more trouble ahead if the Labour Party do not back their MP's a little harder than has happened so far.

What gives people the right to assume their opinion , their view should not be doubted, not debated and must be adhered to or they resort to threatening behaviour. It is not democratic and I agree with those MP's and commentators who believe this wave of activism is a backward move for the Labour Party..

loopylou Thu 03-Dec-15 13:01:01

Utterly disgusting and despicable behaviour, Corbyn is going to have an extremely hard ride ahead if he's ever to be viewed as a credible leader.

Freedom of speech and choice is dead in the Labour Party.

mollie Thu 03-Dec-15 13:08:16

Loopylou, that sounds like you think Corbyn sanctioned this bullying? I can't agree with the idea that Freedom of Speech is dead in the Labour Party, isn't that what Corbyn insists on and didn't he give Labour MPs a free vote? Sounds like he wants them to go with their individual consciences to me...

trisher Thu 03-Dec-15 13:09:51

Of course any form of harassment or bullying is unacceptable (although the Tory party do this quietly and call it 'applying the whip'). However debate and discussion have always been a feature of the Labour party and showing the real effects of war is sometimes necessary. As for deselection, if my MP had voted for the bombing I would certainly be asking that she fully explain her views and possibly pointing out that she failed to represent me properly. It isn't a question of not debating it is to do with looking at the reasons these MPs supported the bombing, it is possible that they are the remnants of the Tony Blair period and need to revise their views and look at their allegiance. We could turn this on its head, how do the people who opposed the bombing feel about Tory MPs who were against it but were bullied/persuaded to abandon their principles in favour of the party?

Riverwalk Thu 03-Dec-15 13:10:26

Despicable behaviour indeed on the part of some Labour party activists - on a par with the bullies in the Conservative party which led to the recent suicide of a young member.

Luckygirl Thu 03-Dec-15 13:11:08

We do not know who perpetrated this bullying; nor do we know how far it stepped across the line of reasonable persuasion. It is a sorry mess.

JamJar1 Thu 03-Dec-15 13:16:25

I wish I could lip read, Andy Burnham was muttering away as Hillary Benn sat down after his speech.

Luckygirl Thu 03-Dec-15 13:20:53

Personally I think that imposing the Tory whip on such a complex moral issue constitutes one form of bullying. They should have had a free vote.

I suspect that my MP would have voted against if there was a free vote - he did it once before over intervention in Syria and paid the price personally and career-wise.

gillybob Thu 03-Dec-15 13:29:52

I noticed that too JamJar1 and also some very suspicious hand signals hmm

Anniebach Thu 03-Dec-15 13:33:10

The Labour Party should always support their MP's and labour MP's should respect the views of Labour Party members. Why should I support a labour MP who has ignored party members . Who selected them? Party members

gillybob Thu 03-Dec-15 13:39:34

I am suspicious of the so called "Party Members" who voted for Corbyn as their saviour leader Anniebach

There was a huge increase in membership prior to the leadership election which leads me to wonder if a large group of people (who would not normally be interested) joined for one reason only, to ensure that JC won and to put a spanner in the works.

My dad has been a life long Labour man. He is convinced that unless Corbyn is removed soon there will have to be a breakaway party to look after the interest of the "real" Labour party members.

Anniebach Thu 03-Dec-15 13:42:22

Remove Corbyn and replace him with a Blairite ? No thanks

Anniebach Thu 03-Dec-15 13:45:15

Benn Jnr is setting himself up to be next party leader, he is in for a disappointment

gillybob Thu 03-Dec-15 13:46:53

Oh I dunno after "that" speech Anniebach.

Anya Thu 03-Dec-15 13:49:45

Get off your high horse Annie you know full well that us Labour Party Members are a tiny part of the voting public (about 1%) and with the membership there is a wide variety of opinion and views.....or do you wish to suppress that hmm

Anya Thu 03-Dec-15 13:50:22

And within the membership.....

Anya Thu 03-Dec-15 13:51:29

But of course you do not accept that my views as a party member count, do you?

Anniebach Thu 03-Dec-15 13:52:02

.gillybob, it depends when the next leadership contest takes place, many members were against the bombing of Syria and will not forget. Also he will have the blairites to fight , so depends on time span

Anniebach Thu 03-Dec-15 13:55:05

Anya, you have bitched and ridiculed me for sometime, your mocking of my typing an incorrect word was spiteful and uncalled for . Your views on any subject hold no interest for me , no more to say to you

trisher Thu 03-Dec-15 13:57:17

Anniebach if someone is reduced to pointing out your typos it indicates they can find nothing else to argue with!!!

Anniebach Thu 03-Dec-15 14:02:02

True Trisher, but doesn't mean it didn't hurt , which was the intention

Anya Thu 03-Dec-15 14:06:29

Gilly it doesn't matter who is leader of the Labour Party, until all this backstabbing and squabbling goes on, the Tories have it made.

People talk about returning to the 'roots' of the party. The Labour Party grew out of the poverty and injustices that the working classes genuinely suffered. Children starving and cold, whole families homeless, factory owners who cared not a jot for their workforce, no decent education system, no health care, and so on.

These huge reforms, brought about by the party, were the grass roots of the movement. Now things aren't perfect, but they're a damn sight better and, providing Labour stands a chance of being elected, things will continue to improve. But no. Because of an ideology that is stuck fast at the beginning of the 20th century and cannot move on, past and round the mistake that was New Labour, everything has come to a grinding halt with infighting and dissent.

I despair.

Anya Thu 03-Dec-15 14:09:04

I don't know what you are referring to Annie but to call someone spiteful is a personal attack and not acceptable.

gillybob Thu 03-Dec-15 14:15:12

I joined the Labour party at 18 for all of the reasons you have pointed out Anya. I was born (and still am) working class and proud of it. I have never been handed anything on a plate. My grandad's were both miners and dedicated Labour men. I cancelled my membership some years ago after witnessing first hand the underhand tactics of various Labour councillors and MP's who voted each other on to lucrative committees as though it was "their" turn next etc. Drinking themselves into oblivion on tax payers money, jollies and funded "missions", meetings in exotic locations etc. oh I could go on and on.

I know the other are probably no better, but I was genuinely upset to find out that the one party I thought I could respect were such steaming hypocrites.

Anya Thu 03-Dec-15 14:15:37

PS DJ once pointed out that I had spelled 'bugger' incorrectly as 'buggar' ...I thought, 'oh yes, so I have!' hmm I didn't get all in a tizzwazz (sp?) about it.

Weird!