Labour MP's harassment

I'm not sure that comparing JC with Ghandi is the way to go. JC has spent 30 odd years in the Labour party but opposing the leadership for much of that time. I accept that there is a valid argument that if more Labour MP's had voted against the leadership, we may have had a Labour party that reflected its core supporters more effectively. That acceptance doesn't mean I'm a convert to the Corbyn approach, especially when it comes to organisations like STWC.

Like Anya, I respect Corbyn's sincerity and much of his philosophy. I don't see him as a leader and I certainly don't see him as a Ghandi like inspirational leader. If he had those qualities, they'd have been in plain sight long before JC hit his 66th birthday frankly and they simply were not, and are not.

I do understand the way Nativity Plays and grandchildren are providing a bit of light relief in this depressing thread. I've found myself watching the news from the Middle East and wishing it was as simple as making a shepherd's outfit from a towel and a tea towel and frocking an angel up in tinsel wings and a white floaty frock made from an old sheet. But it isn't. We're living in interesting times and I fear the Chinese curse

It is too soon to judge his leadership yet, so I have no intention of trying to do so. It is early days - he has hardly got his feet under the desk. He has taken over at a time when big international decisions are being made, and he will have to get the whole party to work together quickly and then to continue to work together once the emergency and the honeymoon period are over and it gets more humdrum. Not an easy task for any leader of an opposition party - or indeed of a party in power, either. Most of them look very tired after a while.

Ghandi did ok as a leader

I have respect for Corbyn's sincerity and much of his philosophy. Unfortunately this doesn't make him a leader or a statesman.

In that article, dj, it seemed to me that a large proportion of the people who are said to be sneering at Corbyn and Corbynites are Labour Party members. It's not just the media. Much of the criticism I've read of Corbyn has been by Labour Party members and supporters. Personally, I find that more worrying and more convincing than media hype.

2nd King for GS3 tomorrow [proud nana emoticon] though I suppose first Angel (speaking) deserves credit too roses .

Sorry Ann60 we demand you post pictures as proof.

No class war, though it was touch and go when a camel barged our donkey!

Whatever anyone on here may think, I am not a boxer!

First angel, speaking part this year (not me, DGD!). Not yet performed, I await with bated breath.

They would be, class war is as strong as ever

think-left.org/2015/10/24/why-everything-is-now-different-the-sneerage-coefficient-is-off-the-scale/

Labour MPs being harassed by the media.

We didn't have donkeys today only camels for the Kings, and for reasons not explained there were only two shepherds and Bobby was the one on the right. I do have photographs to prove my boast but I don't know how to post them as I took them on my tablet

If you mean 3rd shepherd from the left then yes, they are the star of the show, along with 6th donkey from the right, I hope you acknowledge Ann60

Ok ok Anya my excuse was that I was getting my tissues ready to go and see youngest GS (4) in his Nativity. He was a shepherd and the star of the whole thing of course

Cameron ordered his MP's bev whipped because he so feared losing the vote, a case of I want to bomb and I am going to bomb ,

'Rose Floyd' Ann60

Don't you mean Pink Floyd ?

Of course we must have democracy but the Tory Party forced their MPs to back their Leader David Cameron by whipping all the votes.

The Labour Party acted democratically because their Leader Jeremy Corbyn allowed their MPs to vote with their conscience. New members of the Labour Party have a lot to learn about what is acceptable behaviour towards MPs they don't agree with. Ultimately LP members can be expelled from the party. However forcing our country into a bombing war is bound to bring out strong feelings against it .

However when other political parties don't even allow debate that's not democratic.

annsixty of course
It just sounded very familiar (not a boxing fan but had heard of the names and getting mixed up), now you mention it I have heard of Floyd Patterson, is that right? But not Floyd Merryweather.

It could be quite likely, though, as anyone and everyone has an opinion these days which can be transported to the world on twitter or whatever and posted as fact.

Get with itRose Floyd Merryweather and Chris Eubanks.

I've not heard of Chris Floyd either isn't he a boxer?

I've not heard of Chris Floyd either

thatbags - thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that article. Of the two links I just read, I found the one bags linked to be much more well written and researched.

This article certainly makes StW seem like an ideologically unsavoury organisation.

"In recent years, the Stop the War Coalition has defended Russian aggression in Ukraine and Georgia; has barred Syrians from speaking at its meetings while giving the floor to debased British Assadists and Stalinists; and have sided firmly with the Ayatollahs and the Ba'athists ahead of democrats and genuine anti-imperialists in the Middle East. In the wake of the Paris attacks the StWC even compared ISIS to the Spanish Brigades."

Who is Chris Floyd? I don't suppose I'm the only person on GN who has never heard of him. I started to read the article but couldn't penetrate the ramblings.

Ana What exactly did you object to in the Floyd article?

Which of his statements do you believe are untrue?

What's wrong with Chris Floyd, Ana? I guess you haven't read the article, unlike Annie. All you are doing is attacking me, again.

Jen, I think that was an excellent article, I was amused by 'holy Tony ' but I am glad he put the record straight , not that the Blairites or those on the right will accept it.

Really scraping the barrel now, durhamjen. Chris Floyd....