Labour MP's harassment

Yes thatbag, if can be important, thankfully foul/vulgar language isn't and is used by very few

ab asks: thatbags, saying your father would be turning in his grave meant you wondered what his views would be and not that you knew what they would be ?

I answer: Yes.

And I said it "made me think he would if...". That puts it in the subjunctive mood, i.e. an uncertain wondering, as I said somewhere along the way while telling you to piss off with your presumptions.

As I've said before on discussions on GN, if is a VERY IMPORTANT WORD.

Hell bells,

soon I do not condone abuse - I do condemn abuse

It has been suggested that the Russians are deliberately bombing civilian areas in order to decrease morale. I hope it's not true but rather suspect that it might be.

It is naïve to think that our role is that of noble interventionists rescuing helpless Syrian victims who will be grateful. I think many Syrians will end up hating us even more than they do already.

The example of the last two World Wars demonstrates that politicians tend to put expediency over moral and humane considerations when it comes to deciding how to act in a war situation.

I used the word condone and meant condone. Ab changed it to condemn. Not sure if she meant to or not.

Eloethan, I expect that you think that the sending of pictures is not on, but that is not the same of another poster.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/syria-air-strikes-lib-dem-activists-may-quit-after-tim-farron-backs-raf-attacks-a6761846.html

Seems like there are going to be a few Lib Dems joining the Labour Party.
I wonder why it took so long.

soon yes I think we know the difference between condemn and condone but you seem not to in your post at 12.46!

soontobe I expect we all condemn (I assume you mean condemn) people who send abusive, threatening and vile communications. It is insulting to imply otherwise.

This sort of abuse and intimidation has been received by those on both sides of the issue and underhand tactics are not confined to one side either. Lucy Allan, Conservative MP for Telford, copied the text of an e-mail she had received from a constituent urging her not to vote for air strikes. She decided to add "Unless you die" and re-posted it as an example of the sort of threats she was getting.

soon, I will not condemn an action I think is wrong but not condemn the person who was responsible .

In my post of 12.46, I am talking about the action, not who sent or did it. I also use the word condone which is a different word to condemn. [can hardly believe I am talking about definitions of words, but the words are quite different].
After all said and done though, I think you have answered my question.

thatbags, saying your father would be turning in his grave meant you wondered what his views would be and not that you knew what they would be ?

I didn't notice that your post was addressed to soon, I am not replying on her behalf as I have no idea what her reply would be

So far they have bombed oil fields. Are you suggesting that ISIL have put children as human shields around the oil fields?
Another despicable act if so.

I think the MPs voted as their conviction and conscience dictated and they are perfectly aware of the dreadful consequences of war which we have been seeing for over four years now; they don't need more photographs sent to them to remind them. There seemed to be no end to this and perhaps they thought this would hasten the end and bring new beginnings to Syria.

Interesting to know that Ken Clarke abstained; I would have done so and I am sure he did so after a great deal of thought.

soon, sorry I forgot to answer your first question, I do not condemn anyone who sent a photograph of a person killed by a bomb to an MP who voted for bombing

What? The pigs in animal farm??

Who? McDonnell?

I know because he was my father
And because most of the discussions around the dinner table were political .....

Rosequartz, what and who is an IRA sympathiser?

soon, I have said all abuse is wrong , all I question about the abuse on twitter is you and some others claim to know the political allegiances of those who write them, unless you can name the people so they can be checked is this fair?

If people posted abuse against atheists on twitter would it be acceptable for anyone to claim the abuse is written by Christians ?

Did we think that George Orwell's Animal Farm was a 'load of rubbish' though jackthelad? Or did we nod sagely and think that he had got it just right? Let's get rid of the wicked masters and everyone will be equal, but they end up with the one rule:

All Animals Are Equal / But Some Are More Equal Than Others.

they're so aggressive and hateful
I presume that those posts will be by the pacifists then

suppose he would have classed Keir Hardy a militant
You can't suppose anything about anyone's father except one you know well; that is why it is wrong, too, to suppose that Tony Benn will be 'turning in his grave'.

My DM, as I have said before, was a staunch Socialist and Trade Unionist but I know he would have had no truck with some of the extreme militants and IRA sympathisers.
I know because he was my father, not because of supposition.

I can't find this doubly impudent post of ab's. Which page is it on?

Thank you, jane. Exactly. Your comment was extremely impudent, ab. And I did not 'voice' my father's political views. I wondered, based on my knowledge of him (you have no knowledge of him) what they might be if he were alive today. You then extrapolated in a ridiculous manner because you simply cannot infer what you impudently 'supposed' from what I said. Your prejudices do you no credit.

Ab. You do not condone the sending of pictures to those Labour MPS who voted for the bombing.
Do you refuse to condone those who send abuse on twitter as well?

Who exactly are these people who have identified themselves as "pacifists" but who "let their own dogs of war loose on people who don't share their views"?

As to Corbyn being anti-Semitic, in September he addressed a meeting of the Labour Friends of Israel and said "the only way forward is one of peace, negotiation, dialogues and a recognition of the right of all the people in the region". It is a well worn strategy to call everyone who is against what is happening to the Palestinians an "anti-Semite". After all, there are several Jewish organisations which also campaign against Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.