Trump - just not fringe or funny anymore !?!

He has also been stripped of his position as a business ambassador for Scotland by Nicola Sturgeon, as he was no longer thought to be fit to be a business ambassador for Scotland. His membership has been withdrawn with immediate effect.
At least the Scottish Assembly has some sense of decency.

78.000 signatures got him stripped of his Honorary Scottish Degree today. Won't make much difference to the reality out there- but it feels good all the same. Hurrah.

458,000 signatures to keep him out. 20,000 to let him come in. Keeping him out still getting 7000+ an hour.
Middle east shops are now banning his goods for sale.
The only reason he has managed to get where he is is because of the money he has. His ex-partner has said that muslims put hundreds of billions of dollars into creating jobs in America. They are likely to invest it elsewhere.
Well done, Trump.
Who do you think the British government will want to appease, Trump or lots of muslims with money?

Are they really mocking him though Anya I'm not so sure.

The sheer stupidity of his proposals certainly has brought out the best of British Humour- hurrah.

Katie Hopkins has tweeted that she would go and live in the USA if he won- it almost makes you wish he would, doesn't it ;)

The Twitter community had responded by mocking him, according to todays papers.

"One user captioned a picture of the queen wearing her headscarf with 'Britain so radicalised that the Queen now wears a hijab'.

Another captioned Jeremy Corbyn's picture with 'The capital is full of dangerous bearded radicals'

Where we used to live, there were a couple of infamous estates where OH would hesitate to visit at night without protection. Not a brown or black face in those 2 estates - they wouldn't have survived. He on the other hand happily go alone in the middle of the night to those areas with a big ethnic mix- where there was prostitution and drug-selling going on- but little violence.

There is no doubt that Trump has a large following in the USA. What makes sense to me is that we should be looking at how/why someone like him should represent the views of so many people. What went wrong?

There are apparently 5 UK police officers who have come forward to say that he is right and that there are places in the UK that they are frightened to police and will not even go into those areas wearing a police uniform. Now I have no idea whether this is fact or fiction but if it is true then we have a much more serious problem than we realise.

Best Tweet of the day from Donald. The lovely and 'respected' (what!?!) Katie Hopkins seems to be his only friend today:

Thank you to respected columnist Katie Hopkins of Daily Mail.com for her powerful writing on the U.K.'s Muslim problems.

He has also been dropped as a business ambassador for Scotland. He has responded by saying

"The UK politicians should be thanking me."

Then he tweeted "The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem. Everybody is wise to what is happening. Very sad. Be honest."

He has responded with this article in the local Aberdeen Press and Journal

Donald Trump's response

In the interest of fairness there's now a petition opposing Trump being banned from the UK HERE .

Sometimes 'gestures' get noticed- it would be great if the petition gets more than 1/2 million votes, really.

Do we not demand all who preach hatred are banned from this country ? Trump is no different to others

It's a very good gesture, Wilma, as is taking away his degree by a Scottish university.
Nearly 425,000 signatures now.

If Trump were a muslim and said the same about Christians, he would be banned.
Theresa May has said that she does not comment on specific cases. What rubbish. Those who get banned are always individual cases.

I agree the petition is more about a gesture, but we have banned other public figures from the UK for the same sort of speech.

The Home Office has powers to ban individuals from overseas coming to the UK under the '^unacceptable behaviours or extremism exclusion policy^'. Last year Home Secretary Theresa May said she had excluded hundreds of people because she considers their presence is "^not conducive to the public good or if their exclusion is justified on public policy grounds^".

People banned from entering the UK under the exclusion policy in the last few years include leaders of the Westboro Baptist Church, Islamist preachers and Ku Klux Klan officials, and two anti-Muslim bloggers.

The part of the petition that I think is most relevant is -

If the United Kingdom is to continue applying the 'unacceptable behaviour' criteria to those who wish to enter its borders, it must be fairly applied to the rich as well as poor, and the weak as well as powerful.

Free speech in the UK comes with a number of exceptions including threatening, abusive or insulting words or behavior intending or likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress or cause a breach of the peace (which has been used to prohibit racist speech).

Of course, this is all hypothetical because who knows when Trump will be returning to the UK, but the petition will send him a message.

Some people want to ban Trump from coming into the UK because Trump wants to ban Muslims from coming into the USA? Er, there is something not right about this. I don't agree with anything Trump says so I am hardly going to support a ban on freedom of speech or movement.

That clock is one from a book of fairy-tales, which is exactly where his insular mind is, keeping out the great big ogre, which can be recognised and defeated at once by all fairy-tale all-american heroes.

We all know that by law, freedom of speech has limits, don't we. Any 'speech' that incites hatred, prejudice, etc, against s specific ehtnic or religious group is beyond said freedom. How would you react if a politicians called for the exclusion of Christians or Jews?

I do not think Trump should be banned from coming to the UK. What happened to freedom of speech? Or is that only for people with a hook for a hand?

Yes if Trump comes here and "oversteps the mark" fine, throw him out, but until then........

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Totally incongruous in the middle of the Aberdeenshire countryside.

Posted pic of runaway hamster (hair) on page one Alea-am off to get pic of the awful clock he's erected at the entrance to Trumpton!

Harrison Ford tells him it's not like the movies:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35059128

The man would be best ignored except there seems to be quite a few insular twerps in the US who believe the silly b****r.

I'm with those who say he should not enjoy the attention of being banned.
But nor do I think any organisation, educational institution, or political faction should be allowed to accord him the compliment of being invited.
We have, or used to have a great British tradition of "cutting shysters down to size" - that is more effective.
Has everybody seen the FB picture of a ginger Guinea pig with his stick and hanky containing all his possessions over his shoulder a la Dick Whittington? It's headed "Donald Trump's hair decided to run away from home and start a new life".
With instantaneous internet access anything he says in the US is unfortunately immediately accessible here, but let's not go out of our way to make him or anybody think we want to hear his drivel.
(And that's me still being nice in this festive season)

I agree he should not be blocked. Extremism is overcome by open debate, not censorship.

Here's a good couple of tweets on the subject from Rory Sutherland and James Furman.