I think this man should be chrged with extreme child abuse

Well I found this story absolutely heartbreaking. I can't imagine how the father will ever get over it. Obviously piling all those children into a small boat on the open sea is something none of us would ever contemplate, but we are not living in a war zone or trying to survive in a refugee camp.

I didn't ask you to understand Rosequartz, I was speaking directly to Jingle

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/10/migration-not-worth-risk-syrian-man-family-drowned

This happened a month ago; this week another group of migrants, including six Afghan children, drowned in the Aegean, according to the Guardian.

These people are part of my daily life, you wouldn't understand this.
No, I didn't understand that either.

If you mean you pray for them, so do thousands of others.
If you mean you knit for them, so do hundreds of people
If you mean you send donations to help on a regular basis, so do thousands of people
If you mean you send parcels of socks, newly knitted jumpers, hats, scarves, squares for blankets, baby clothes etc, so do thousands of kind people from around the world.

So I think there are thousands of people who would understand and I hope people are glad to know that.

I'm shocked at how judgemental, and as Iam64 says a distastefull insensitive and inappropriate discussion about someone's sex life, this thread has become.
I prefer to give this poor man the benefit of the doubt; I cannot believe for one second he deliberately set out to see his wife and children drowned.
I prefer to believe he sincerely thought they would have the chance of a better life, fleeing from ISIS.

Very, very sad.

I don't see myself as 'old fashioned' but I share the view that to discuss a couple's sex life/use or misuse of contraception on this thread is really distasteful, insensitive and inappropriate.

I'm not suggesting that his grief wasn't genuine just that he wasn't fluent in English as far as I could gather. I don't think comments about anyone's sex life is at all appropriate on a thread like this, but I'm old fashioned, and still consider that part of anyones life a private matter.

Elrel. Not just celibacy. There are other ways.

Answer came there none.

Mind you, we 'wouldn't understand' anyway...only the likes of anniebach are capable of empathy and compassion, obviously, which is a pretty insulting insinuation.

Nigglynellie, I think the father's speech would be translated rather than dubbed and I that the sobbing would be genuine.
But as your husband says 'what a mess', indeed it is, a tragic mess.

Why uncalled for ? If the sex life of the couple and the conception of their children can be discuss ?

The man has lost his wife and seven children ... is it appropriate to be discussing his sex life?

People have sex, and babies, during wartime.

Iam that was just an off-the-cuff remark. No forethought whatsoever.

First sentence was talking to ab. ref her comments to jingle.

I wouldn't call it 'comfort' tbh. Enjoyment, yes.

Do we really want to go down this road?

Oh dear, That's rather a personal comment, and a bit uncalled for!
I don't think this man can speak English. I saw the interview earlier and his interview was dubbed. Quite honestly who knows the ins and outs of this affair, but I would have thought common sense would have prevented anyone from taking a twenty day old baby on a journey like that at any time, particularly in winter. I think these poor souls who are desperate to get to Europe are completely unaware that Europe is not particularly welcoming any more owing to the numbers arriving, and that the lives they have been led to expect are going to be far harder than they imagine. As DH says 'what a mess'.

Can I just say - we aren't talking about "illegal asylum seekers". People fleeing war torn Syria would be legitimate asylum seekers. If they survived the journey of course.

These people are part of my daily life, you wouldn't understand this.

Annieb, what did you mean by that?

(just in case you missed it the first time )

Well Jingle if you have never found comfort in sex I feel sorry for you

I don't actually know what it means to "miss and hit the wall".

Sorry!

Oh good as I am grannylyn65

Yes. Please tell us about all these illegal asylum seekers thronging the 'Land of my Fathers'.

"so they find comfort in sex"

Sorry ab but that is hilarious! What man doesn't 'find comfort' in sex?! (if that's what you care to call it)

I wonder how comforted his wife felt.