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Cameron's Christmas message

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ayse Thu 24-Dec-15 09:17:36

Having read the headline perhaps Cameron can reflect on Christian values of faith, hope and charity and look to his conscience for guidance concerning the more unfortunate people both at home and abroad! Where is kindness, support and understanding in government policy? Is it really Christian to see people in poverty, the NHS a shambles whilst our leaders are revelling in their million £ homes and tasting all the good things life has to offer. Perhaps he thinks that charity begins in his home and doesn't extend further than his circle mates.

Anyway, my Christmas message is to help and support all those who are less well off than ourselves in whatever small way we can. Happy Christmas all and please forgive the grouch. (I'm an aetheist (spelling has deserted me on this Christmas eve) - I must be getting older!)

Ana Wed 06-Jan-16 21:10:16

She's presumably one of the 'Labour MPs who gained'...

Anniebach Wed 06-Jan-16 21:55:12

Jen, the Welsh junior minister who resigned campaigned against Corbyn being elected as leader. Waste of his time though , been waiting for the blairites to openly attack ,

durhamjen Wed 06-Jan-16 22:19:00

What I find awful is them resigning on television or radio. How important do they think they are?

One comment on the reshuffle was that it was kept minimal to see what else it would shake loose. If that's so, it worked.

Anniebach Wed 06-Jan-16 22:28:12

Those of importance , Eagles and Benn replied with dignity, just three juniors had to make their grand announcement on air, as someone said today - who are they . Which of those sacked has been leaking details of shadow cabinet meetings to the press wink

durhamjen Wed 06-Jan-16 22:44:39

' "On the Foss pumps, that was about to be tended for extra investment and that investment will now go ahead because that money is now there," he said. '

That's what Cameron said to Corbyn today about the Foss barrier. It was known twelve years ago that there was a problem with the Foss barrier.
Letwin stopped the funding in 2013. That's very helpful to all the people living on Huntington Road and Park Grove, etc., all those homes and businesses that thought they were protected by the barrier.

durhamjen Wed 06-Jan-16 22:45:59

Sorry, I forgot, that wasn't important enough for PMQs.

Ana Wed 06-Jan-16 22:47:49

It was known twelve years ago, yes. When Labour was in power. Sod all was done by them.

Anniebach Wed 06-Jan-16 22:51:03

Where is Letwin/Walley

Anniebach Wed 06-Jan-16 22:54:27

Not important when Cameron had his rehearsed attempt of a joke to share, how awful when Corbyn gave the names of two people who are victims of the flooding and asked a question - the tories roared with laughter

purple Wed 06-Jan-16 23:03:12

Not sure about sod all done by Labour. They certainly could have done a lot more, but who brought in the minimum wage, working family tax credits, Sure Start centres, took over a million children out of poverty? Not enough for sure but certainly better than the terrible deprivation being inflicted by the current government on the most vulnerable in our society. It is shameful that in one of the richest countries in the world there are thousands of people sleeping on the streets; people dying of malnutrition; people unable to afford the exorbitant rents demanded by rapacious landlordst, let alone hope ever to buy a home; people dependent on food banks - these are basic needs not being provided by the state for its citizens. Meanwhile the food industry lobbies (and donates to) the Tory party) while sugar addiction rages, rent controls are unthinkable (because Tory supporting property owners are making zillions from it) and there is 16 years between the life expectancy of the poor and the rich.

Eloethan Wed 06-Jan-16 23:05:12

nigglynellie Supporters of this right wing government and its austerity policies describe themselves as "moderate", with the implication that those who oppose their policies are in some way "extreme" in their views. The IFS has reported that spending cuts between 2010 and 2020 will be the deepest ever seen and will reduce the overall size of state spending to its lowest level since the Second World War. The UK population in 1945 was around 49,200,000; in 2011 it was around 63,200,000, so despite the significant rise in population, state spending has been reduced to the 1945 level. Such draconian cuts don't sound very moderate to me.

Ana I have just seen your comments re Emily Thornberry and Leigh Day. Leigh Day was criticised in the particular case you mention, but it is a law firm which has championed the rights of ordinary people against the might of huge conglomerates like Trafigura and Shell. It also successfully obtained compensation for the family of Baha Mousa, an Iraqi citizen, who was beaten to death by British Forces personnel. It also attended the subsequent inquiry, whose Chair was highly critical of the MoD's conduct. I worked at Leigh Day as a temp over the course of a couple of years and have nothing but admiration for their hardworking and dedicated staff. I think Thornberry is an effective and principled politician and if Andrew Lansley, the then Shadow Health Secretary, could have his office paid for by Care UK then I can't see what is wrong with Thornberry receiving a donation from a firm of solicitors, where there appears to be little risk of a conflict of interest.

durhamjen Wed 06-Jan-16 23:14:20

Eloethan, I have noticed that there is a new inquiry into British soldiers in Iraq, run by the Iraq Historic Allegations Team.

Anniebach Wed 06-Jan-16 23:19:59

Well said purple and Eloethan .

How can one be a moderate yet hold far right views ? Impossible

Minimum wage, sure start, tax credits all brought in by the labour government and being scrapped by the Tory government

I see no comment on Jens link on the homeless figures from the far right moderates !

durhamjen Thu 07-Jan-16 00:00:51

I was living in York twelve years ago. I was living in York in 2000, when there were the worst floods before this last one.
The Foss barrier worked then. It worked until we left in 2010.
However, it was known that if there was a worse flood than 2000, it might fail. It was to be upgraded in 2013, until Letwin decided it was not important enough to have money spent on it. Suddenly, today, Cameron says the money is there for it!
His own personal magic money tree, I presume.

There was a debate this afternoon about the floods.
"To ask the house to note the damage the government cuts have caused to communities harmed by flooding, and to show gratitude to the emergency services."

The government benches voted it down, which just shows that they do not care.

Eloethan Thu 07-Jan-16 00:10:59

The sorts of criticisms levelled at the Labour Party by people to the right of the political spectrum are often directed at high profile individuals, like Blair and his close associates. Many Labour people are also critical of those parts of the Blairite "modernising" agenda that included cosying up to people like Murdoch, encouraging PFI initiatives and casinos, and extending licensing hours, etc. - all measures welcomed by big business but often seen as detrimental to society as a whole - and, of course, the Iraq War. (Although I also agree with those who recognise that, despite its many faults, the Labour government made massive improvements to hospitals and schools, reduced waiting lists and child poverty, introduced Sure Start centres, etc., etc.)

Now, with the advent of Corbyn and policies more in keeping with original Labour principles, the same critics of "New Labour" throw their hands up in horror and start expressing sympathy and support for the Blairites. It seems contrary to me.

durhamjen Sat 09-Jan-16 22:53:11

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/09/jeremy-corbyn-on-middle-britain-labour-beating-the-tories

Jeremy Corbyn sticking up for himself and the Labour Party.

durhamjen Wed 13-Jan-16 17:25:52

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2016/jan/13/steve-bells-if-terrorist-renegade-jedi-jeremy-corbyn-gets-grilled-on-toady

An excellent cartoon by Steve Bell.

Anniebach Wed 13-Jan-16 17:44:20

Good links Jen, his biggest problem will be dismantling the Thatcher stand - greed is good

durhamjen Wed 13-Jan-16 18:13:06

I've just been reading about the housing bill vote yesterday. I watched some of it, but not all. I had not realised that the vote was the first one based on the EVEL rules, so only Welsh and English MPs voted to stop landlords having to make their houses fit for habitation.

Conservative MPs cheered about it. That explains why there was such a big majority on it.

Conservative MPs are sick. What's there to cheer about to give landlords the right to let out homes that are not suitable for humans to live in.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35295404

Who voted for them?
Who voted for poor people to live in hovels?
The housing minister said he was proud of it. Evil.

Ana Wed 13-Jan-16 18:18:21

Where in that link does it refer to landlords not having to make their houses fit for habitation?

durhamjen Wed 13-Jan-16 18:30:19

'73 LANDLORD MPS VOTED DOWN LAW TO ENSURE HOUSING IS ‘FIT FOR HUMANS’

At least 73 of the MPs who rejected proposals to ensure rented homes are “fit for human habitation” are themselves residential landlords...
The Roll of shame- these M.P.s voted for slums and against the measure and had recorded “Income derived from property: over £10,000 in a calendar year”:
Headed by David Cameron,
Chris Grayling
Dominic Grieve
Nick Hurd
Sajid Javid
Owen Paterson
Jacob Rees-Mogg
Theresa Villiers
John Whittingdale
Nadhim Zahawi
Nigel Adams
Stuart Andrew
Victoria Atkins
Jake Berry
James Berry
Bob Blackman
Robert Buckland
Alun Cairns
Alex Chalk
James Cleverley
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Therese Coffey
Geoffrey Cox
James Davies
Mims Davies
Philip Davies
Richard Drax
James Duddridge
Alan Duncan
Philip Dunne
Jane Ellison
George Eustice
Mike Freer
Richard Fuller
John Glen
Robert Goodwill
Chris Heaton-Harris
Peter Heaton-Jones
George Hollingberry
Kevin Hollinrake
Philip Hollobone
Stewart Jackson
Margot James
Joseph Johnson
Simon Kirby (teller)
Greg Knight
Brandon Lewis
Julian Lewis
Craig Mackinlay
Tania Mathias
Karl McCartney
Anne Marie Morris
Sheryll Murray
Robert Neill
Sarah Newton (teller)
Jesse Norman
David Nuttall
Neil Parish
Rebecca Pow
Jeremy Quin
Laurence Robertson
Julian Smith
Royston Smith
Mark Spencer
John Stevenson
Desmond Swayne
Derek Thomas
Anne-Marie Trevelyan
Andrew Turner
Shailesh Vara
Ben Wallace
David Warburton
Craig Whittaker

These 73 landlord MPs voted down a law to ensure housing is ‘fit for humans’”...David Cameron and his “Tory values” on show! I suppose one can't expect the Tory turkeys to vote honestly.'

A different link, as you cannot be bothered to find out for yourself.

Ana Wed 13-Jan-16 18:32:55

Of course not. We all rely on you for our sole source of knowledge about the evilness that is Cameron's government...smile

durhamjen Wed 13-Jan-16 18:38:42

Is there such a word as evilness? Just evil will do.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/12/tories-reject-move-to-ensure-rented-homes-fit-for-human-habitation

Ana Wed 13-Jan-16 18:40:20

Yes, there is such a word, which you'd know if you could be bothered to look it up for yourself.

rosesarered Wed 13-Jan-16 18:44:01

It's the opposite of goodness djen as in goodness gracious me, that's a heck of a list you have bothered to type out.