Cameron's Christmas message

Actually, jingl, much of Cameron's money came from offshore tax havens, via his dad.

Jingle , you puzzle me, you weep buckets over a child's body washed up on a beach and yet do not want any buildings to house children in beauty spots because you want them preserved for your grandchildren

This is about a man telling the country to remember it's Christian beliefs but not practicing what he tells others to do.

What of the increase in British homeless teenagers ? Do Christian values not include care for these children , they are this country's future

I want the boats stopped. And conditions improved in the camps. And sensible controlled immigration. And the wars stopped.

I don't remember "weeping buckets". Was that a poor attempt at sarcasm? You really need to 'try harder'.

You have more info than I do on the finances of the Cameron family. You must make excellent use of your Google box. And your time. Enjoy.

Such a tight lipped (always it seems) hypocrite.

That last post should have been directed at durhamjen. Although ab and dj do seem to merge into one and the same in my brain. Sorry about that.

So perhaps you didn't shed a tear Jingle but you were deeply distressed so no, not sarcasm .

Who?

Cameron's fathers will made front pages as did his off shore tax haven where he kept his money

Of course I was distressed. Along with the rest of the population.

I have lost my train of thought now. Grandson wants help with his Lego. I might come back to this.

And before you jump on me, I was laughing at us, not the refugees.

Christian beliefs do not always translate into christian good behaviour. Same with any religious beliefs. It's a person's ethical beliefs that influence their behaviour.

That bit about Cameron's father's money has me wondering if people who store/invest their money off-shore in order to avoid paying tax just don't think it is unethical. Perhaps they feel they contribute their share of duty to their country in other ways. Such an argument doesn't hold up in my head but people have weirder beliefs than that and still manage to be good(ish) people.

Camerons fathers involvement with offshore tax havens is pretty much common knowledge because even I know about it.

True thatbags, but unless a person lives their life according to Christs teachings they should not tell others to remember them

Thanks, Tegan. I didn't google it, jingl, it's in my memory, just as it is in Tegan's and anyone else's who cares about people paying their fair share of tax.. As is the fact that it was Thatcher who relaxed the rules just after she came into power and allowed Cameron senior to save so much in unpaid taxes. He set up businesses to enable other rich people to do the same. So kind of him.

By the way, jingl, for your information, I live in the North East, County Durham, to be exact, and Anniebach lives in Wales. You can tell by the names. Just to save you getting us mixed up again.

Sins of the fathers being visited on..... Comes to mind.

dj I know. There are clues in your names.

So why do we merge into one in your brain?
I do not mix you up with anyone else! I'm sure Anniebach doesn't either, but she can speak for herself.

I do mix up the names of rosequartz and rosesarered but never what they say , so they do not merge as one in my brain.

True thatbags, but unless a person lives their life according to Christs teachings they should not tell others to remember them

Also true but I haven't noticed that stopping some people. I'm not referring to anyone on gransnet.

My point, however, is that one can, and many do, live by standards as ethical and as morally good as Christ's teachings without being a Christian. Most of the people I know do this.

Cameron doesn't.

I agree thatbags , but they do not tell others to remember Christian values surely?

Indeed not, ab, mainly, I suspect, because they don't regard their values as quintessentially Christian.

However, neither do they proselytise in any case.

I'm afraid that djen and anniebach do seem to merge into one with me as well, jingl the names are different but the content the same.?

Since nobody here knows Cameron personally, I don't think anyone can comment on how Christian ( or not ) he is.