Loss of nurses burseries

Doubt if any hands on work for other students includes emptying bedpans and, if it did I'm sure they'd refuse to do it . I'd assume that most nurses when they qualify will go straight into agency work which [so I've been told] has better pay and conditions. What about those nurses that, for one reason or another don't complete their training and end up with a huge debt?

Galen, how did you get your degrees? Did you get grants like the rest of us?

No student loans now.When my daughter applied for adult nursing training in 2006 (she was 27 then). She applied for an LA grant but could not get one as she had one for her first degree.

She then discovered she could get a bursary to do a ?diploma rather than doing a degree. She completed her three years training and started working. The only difference in training between a diploma and a degree was that the degree option required an 10,000 word dissertation on a suitable topic.

She completed her disertation about two years later and obtained a degree. There are now no bursaries.

From what DD has said the amount of practical on ward training and academic stuff is about half and half. There is no alternative though to learning the practical skills on the job.
My DD would have found it very difficult to undertake without her bursary.
Poor girl is going back to work in February? March after her second maternity leave.

If a student at uni, studying engineering say, does an amount of time "on the job", does he/she get paid for that?

Do student nurses spend more time than other subject students, doing hands-on work?

Nursing has got a lot more technical these days. Perhaps the gap has narrowed, between the two types of student.

Galen other degrees do not involve work placements as nursing degrees do. The nursing bursary was meant to reflect this requirement. It now seems that nursing students will now be charged and will need to take out loans to work in the NHS. We can look forward to a real lack of nurses. It is absolute madness. Don't believe the figures being spread by the Gov. Student loans are a complete disaster, repayment levels are much lower than expected and much of the amount will simply be written off.

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"The Tories have decided nurses and other healthcare professionals will graduate with up to £50,000 of debt - despite half their training consisting of work placements in hospitals and the wider community. Students will pay to train while completing up to 48 hours unpaid work a week.

And students will graduate into a job that, while incredibly rewarding, has seen a five-year pay freeze, rapidly deteriorating working conditions and ever lengthening hours. Government rhetoric implies that 10,000 new nurses will be trained as a result of Osborne’s bursary cut. Those I study with are curious to know who these 10,000 people are, given that everyone we know says their bursary was their lifeline. "

From the above link.

Nurses work on wards while they are doing their degrees. That means they are working for nothing. Do we want that in the NHS?

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/emma-clewer/its-busraryorbust-for-our-nurses-join-march-this-saturday

My granddaughter gets a bursary for teacher training as it's a shortage subject.

Same with other degrees. Sorry to sound unsympathetic, but!

Galen, not a lot except nurses tend to earn less than doctors throughout their careers I imagine. Otherwise, both work with patients during training. I'm sure you'll correct me kindly, if I have the wrong end of things