I agree with you Teacher11 and I'm sure many people do.This vote makes us think searchingly about the future of the UK, and talking to my family, has nothing to do with politics ( they all vary wildly) or age.
I have always thought that the stay IN vote will win, simply because people are afraid of change, but I think it will maybe be a close thing now, because of seeing Cameron having to fight for a few pathetic changes which really mean very little.
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(1001 Posts)I'm definitely for LEAVING. Even if it was proved that the country would be slightly worse off I would still vote to leave. It would be worth it to gain our freedom from such a corrupt organisation.
3 million jobs would be at risk. That's a lie.
The person wrote that comment only said 3 million were involved in industries which sold to the EU. They would still continue to deal with the EU if we left. The report was also written many years ago so if we have not increased that figure over the years it shows there has been NO growth!!!.
Undecided too
On a personal note I have 3 Finnish grandchildren and a dual nationality son. They want me to vote stay. My son met his lovely wife whilst studying in Sweden on an Erasmus scheme. (that would stop I guess if we come out)
Despite the cost and inefficiency I think we are safer together than apart.
I am disappointed that there has not been better leadership and joint agreements regarding the refugee crisis as well as the banking crisis.
I think we'll have to pay in all respects if we leave.
Can't stand Tory's but agree with some of what Cameron has said. Can't stand UKIP but agree with a small bit of that too.
I don't want to set Scots off again - I like being in UK.
Business leaders appear to be totally split down the middle so that doesn't help.
On balance and reading all of above comments - I think stay
Some years ago my husband - a business analyst- had to do a long term project to see which Nissan factory should be used to make a new model car - I forget which one.
It took a long time- about 2 years if I remember rightly- & he went all over the world visiting factories but in the end GB came out WAY on top & they got to produce the car.
Nissan know GB is the best workforce they have- they won't let it go.
I vote 100% to leave. I did not vote to join in 1975 & everything I have seen happen to my country in the intervening years have convinced me that we were mad to join in the first place.
I just hope that all the politicians & business men lining their pockets don't sway the normal people who would be far better off OUT of EU & we can start to govern our own country again.
Elegran
I couldn't agree more . This is one of the biggest decisions we will be asked to make and there are so many variances it makes your head spin.
For every question posed, for every answer given there is an alternative response which can , for the most part , make equal sense.. It is a question of looking and listening but at least now 'The Deal' has been struck and 'both' sides of the debate can be , indeed should be , heard and listened to I am hoping I will get somewhere close to making a decision but I can honestly say I will not be assured I did the right thing after putting my ballot paper in the box as it is a total 'leap of faith' whichever way vote In or Out.
I wouldn't mind a shot of whatever they gave Cameron when he spoke on the ten o'clock news on Friday after being up for 36 hours. It was an incredible performance.
However, I am an 'out-er' as I think independence and autonomy are vital and the 28 state Eurozone is now such a snowballing, authoritarian, federalising mess that it is flattening all that goes before it.
Europe will still trade with us. Initial financial shocks will right themselves and all will go on after the result, whatever it is.
That was to Eejit
That is why it is better to believe a truly neutral report from a reputable source, which is advising a business on whether it will improve trade or damage it, rather than a journalist who is producing something to increase the circulation of his paper.
That is why I am going to wait until much nearer June before I decide for sure.
They will all have sorted themselves out somewhat by then.
Plus it is likely that events will happen which will also affect the decision.
Which side do we believe? We'll get lies, half-truths and complete bull from both sides. No one will give us the full, unbiased, truth.
The trouble with news reports is that they have a duty to give equal time to views on both/all sides of a question, even though neutral research into actual data may have shown more weight to one side than to the other. By the time the research report has been "analysed" by several experts, each with an agenda that leans in one direction or the other, ordinary mortals are more confused that ever. No wonder opinions are heavily biassed by emotions and by worries about sovereignty.
An important consideration is the effect on the prosperity of the country and hence security of employment. Businesses of all sizes have to estimate the impact on their company and the risks from potential change - and then make their survival plans, which may involve moving away.
Comparison with the Scottish Independence campaign could be valuable.
Douglas Fraser Business/economy editor, Scotland, said in an article on 17 February How business votes: from indyref to Brexit -:-
"Broadcasters are obliged to provide due impartiality, and the BBC's guidelines require a "broad balance" of views.
What that meant in practice in 2014 was that two sides of every facet of debate should have been given equal airtime. A lot of effort went into ensuring that they were.
So while "politically neutral research" showed business figures were much more weighted to the risks than the opportunities from Scottish independence, this isn't how it looked:
"Media coverage presented it frequently as being '50-50', when the reality was closer to '90-10', say MacKay and Kelly. "The media can thus have a well-intentioned distorting influence on public perception."
Well, at least they think we were well-intentioned. Not everyone has been that charitable.
My point was answering whitewave.
White wave
Which point?
Why not?
There were lot's of articles saying could Labour survive with Corbyn as Leader. They are just thoughts of individuals no different from you and I. Yes they have the opportunity of having ears and eyes on the ground so to speak but I don't think either the Conservatives nor Labour will be 'finished' over this referendum.
I am not sure of your point pogs
I cant see why not. They are only quibbling over one issue, same as they have been doing for 40 years.
To those who have declared they trust the European Parliament more so than Westminster can I ask this.
If you vote to stay IN and Labour win in 2020 will you still believe the European Union MEP's will be better than the elected MP's in Westminster to govern the UK?
There are a lot of articles which are wondering if the Tory Party will survive this.
daphnedill
George Galloway has always been a Eurosceptic alongside Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. The latter two of course are now no longer to be the back bench protest MP's who consistently went through the lobby to vote time and again against the EU related matters due to gaining Ministerial positions.
You and others could well be correct in your belief the younger generation will vote to stay in but there is a big difference between educated children studying in Europe and a youth with little to no hope of good employment or education. The two mind sets will be in opposition . The Polls and Surveys give indicators that the younger generation will vote IN but they can never account for the silent majority and what they see as negatives or positives of things such as education, immigration and housing.
I honestly don't think it's the case that age is an indicator for this vote. . It will be more to do with our experiences, standard of living , what we see and know has happened to our local area , how we feel the UK has developed for good or bad that will help to make our judgement probably and that applies to all age groups.
I trust the EU more than Whitehall, listening to QT last week, we heard - we are GREAT Britain, no we are no great , we are an island made up of four countries and the four countries are not united ,
Two of my grandchildren ages 24 and 19 want in, their friends want in , it's their future
Radio 5 Live has talked about little else in the last few days, with many views from both sides, now we have the Boris factor thrown into the mix! The more I listen to it all the more confused I become. My gut instinct is to leave but I just don't know. I don't think I'm alone in that and so with all this uncertainty how can we vote in four months time? Whichever way it goes it will be a leap in the dark!
Reading the above comments I notice how the likes of the Mail, Telegraph and UKIP has influenced so many people without providing the full facts.
At my age I am more concerned about my grandchildrens future rather than my own. I do not want them to have to rely on China and India economies for their future trading. Also I do not want them having to face closed borders in France, Spain etc.
The EU is not perfect neither is the UK, can you also visualize Scotland breaking away because they desire to stay in the EU, who they trust more than Whitehall.
Sorry folks but I am voting for us to stay in.
The question will be if Cameron looses the debate, whether he will take the other potential contenders for the leadership, who supported the remain campaign, with him. Will the winning side forgive them?
In. I think...
I'm for staying in. I reckon Boris will always be alright because somehow the public just likes him. The other Tory out campaigners have probably just committed career suicide. Interesting times indeed.
I've been watching the Pallisers and politics doesn't seem to have changed much!
Cameron was pretty much finished during THAT interview in his kitchen, during the election campaign, when he said he was going to step down before the next election.
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