Embedded License of Domestic Abuse to Women in Religion Through the Eyes of a German Refugee From Yemen

You mean this sort of divorce, jingl?

"A husband may divorce his wife by repudiating the marriage without giving any reason. Pronouncement of such words which signify his intention to disown the wife is sufficient....... A wife cannot divorce her husband of her own accord. She can divorce the husband only when the husband has delegated such a right to her or under an agreement."

That's from legalserviceindia.com (Divorce under Muslim Law) in case you're wondering.

And how they conduct divorce is their own business, I would have thought.

As far as financial dealings are concerned, isn't Sharia law the only law Muslims can use, as their religion doesn't allow borrowing money as we do (mortgages, loans)?

"Young women are not children and they have to accept responsibility for their behaviour"

What on earth do you mean by that?!

Agreed jane10 and anya. Some people, male and female behave in a disgusting way when drunk, and most accept responsibility for their own foolish actions, but what about those that are young, vulnerable? Getting back to the OP though, I have always thought myself a fair minded person, but recent events to do with the lack of integration of many of the recent, chiefly Muslim immigrants, has made me concerned for the future ahead of my DD and any future grandchildren. I hope I do not come across as bigoted, because I most certainly am not, just fearful like POGS and I do agree with you starbird about faith schools. I have said before that any religious teaching should be outside of school hours, without children mixing we have no chance at all of integration of beliefs and faiths.

Young women are not children and they have to accept responsibility for their behaviour just as young men have to accept responsibility for theirs.

I think that's a bit extreme Gill. I can see that alcohol has done appalling harm -the disinhibition that leads young girls to put themselves at such risk of sexual crimes and leads our young men into violence is very worrying. You don't have to be a Muslim to have concerns about such behaviour.

Totally agree with your post POGS. As for your comments starbird you should be ashamed of yourself, do you really think that the way that some women or girls behave is a good reason for the way that they have been treated by men from some muslim countries, for the widespread rape and sexual abuse that happened in Rotherham, Oxford and other cicties? A good reason to keep their wives and daughters in the home/behind the veil?

Any religion which advocates beating anyone for disobedience is to be abhored. Sharia law is mediaeval and vicious and has no place in a civilised country.

I don't think it has been discussed.

The article says that Sharia law is permitted only for financial dealings, and for divorce. Seems reasonable to me.

That shouldn't even be discussed as a possibility! Things have already come to a pretty pass if we're having to say 'at least there's no stoning'!

I find this article reassuring Especially the bit that says punishments such as stoning, lashes and cutting off of hands will never be acceptable in this country. I believe that is true.

POGS. Once again, another good post.
I have been banging on about this for years. In fact, I would go as far to say that in the long distant future we will be a Muslim country.
Many of you will laugh or be angry.
But go back just 30 years, would you have foreseen what is happening now.

I think the important thing is that women must have, and know that they have, a choice, whether it be wearing a burka (but not the full face veil at school or in certain places where they need to be identified) or accepting a partner chosen by her family, or whatever. Therefore I don't agree with home teaching or Faith schools for children where they never get to see another point of view. However, I also believe that we have much to learn from other cultures, especially bringing back the concept of personal dignity. I find the way minor so called celebs strip off at the drop of a hat, and the way some young people 'dress' to go out on a Saturday night and so on, very demeaning, and frankly don't blame those from other cultures for wanting to keep their children, especially girls, separate.

I share your concerns POGS

I think it is a story we can all relate to but it does lead me to ask why the hell we have allowed the regime she has fled from taking any foothold in our country. It undoubtedly has and over many years our constant need to show a liberal, politically correct attitude has allowed it to fester to the extent we will possibly struggle to contain it's growth in years to come.

I will no doubt dodge a bullet when I say there is no place for the subjugation of men and especially women in the west but if we are not careful she will one day find herself having to deal with similar problems here in the west.. By that I don't mean the return of medieval torture but the allowance of the rise of Sharia Law usage and the apparent rise in the wearing of the burka in general.

I have spoken of having friends from various religions before but I am fearful of the rise of hard line Muslim rhetoric that we just seem to waffle on about as somebody having a human right/freedom of speech etc. Sorry but I have female , muslim friends who are getting quite upset at what they perceive is a ' potential ' threat to their way of life they have enjoyed, the freedom to integrate and the freedom to dress as they choose. They are not overtly concerned for themselves more for their grandchildren and later generations. It is not the case that any pressure has been applied to them personally but there is an under tone in the community that you can't pin down but you sense it is there. Does that make sense.?

What an admirable young woman Rasha Bamatraf is.