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Boris Johnson

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obieone Wed 17-Feb-16 18:55:40

I cant decide whether I like him or not. I probably shouldnt.

I also cant decide if he is playing fair about the EU in or out decision.
Is everything to him just about himself and his career, and that is why he is fence sitting extraordinaire?

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 13:24:13

They seem to separate politics from friendship. Ed Millibands wife is a close friend of George Osbournes wife. I suppose it depends if Dave feels Gove has betrayed him, a disagreement is one thing , a betrayal is so different . Dave has given Gove top jobs , perhaps he expected loyalty in return . I do think Boris has been a toad, yes he could have announced his out choice but all that dressing up for the cameras, keeping the press waiting for his announcement was so planned I found it rather repulsive and found I felt sorry for Dave. Still I felt sorry for thatcher when she was kicked out of No 10 , there is a line for me and Boris didn't just step over it, he did the long jump.

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 13:04:18

Is it just me?

If I had 'good friends' I would need more than the fact David Cameron fulfilled the Conservative Manifesto to give give the UK population a referendum on the EU. I believe the Labour Manifesto wanted a referendum also so if they were in government I would think it would be the same views, points raised.

If you loose 'good friends' over this they were only ever acquaintances in the first place. They have wives and children who would suffer too so I would hope saving face would not be their priority.

Tony Blair didn't too bad did he. Hmmm illegal war or giving the populous a right to self determination. He might be OK!

Eloethan Tue 23-Feb-16 12:55:27

obieone Some Londoners - me for one, and there are many others - are very unhappy about Boris Johnson's performance as Mayor.

His term in office is littered with extravagant, unnecessary and loss-making projects such as:

The Olympic Orbital sculpture commissioned by BJ which cost £3.1 million and which has been losing £10,00 a week. Only 124,000 people visited it between April 2014 and March 2015, which is far below the estimated visitor numbers.

The cable car project between North Greenwich and the Royal Docks which the Mail Online described as "the most pointless piece of public transport in Britain", linking "two not very interesting places". It has been described as a "theme park ride" because virtually no commuters use it - whereas Boris Johnson said it was needed as a commuter route. It cost £16 million.

According to the New Statesman, he spent £5.2 million lobbying for his "Boris Island" Thames Estuary airport project, despite the fact that "none of the major players in the aviation industry thought it was viable".

Then there is the Garden Bridge - a bridge which is not needed and which, though primarily privately funded, will cost TfL £30 million and the Treasury £30 million, and involve estimated yearly maintenance costs of £1 million.

The Routemaster "Bus for London" was introduced in 2012 after Boris Johnson pledged to restore conductors and an open back door. After spending £11.37m getting the project off the ground there is no money left to pay for £62,000 a year “customer assistants”, who man the open back platforms, leaving many of them closed for good.

The bus has been branded as dangerous and inefficient. Temperatures of 37 degrees have been recorded of 37 degrees, due to a lack of opening windows.

The supposedly “green” batteries result in dangerous handling and poor fuel efficiency, according to their drivers. It is said that the hybrid batteries are not charging properly, leaving many vehicles to run solely on a supplementary diesel engine which cannot cope. Due to these failures, the promised reduction in pollution levels have not been achieved.

Despite making assurance that no ticket offices would be closed, in fact all of them will be closed, leaving travellers to the mercy of ticket machines. This is despite substantial numbers of passengers believing that the offices should remain open. At less heavily used stations, it is felt that elderly people, sight impaired people and anybody else who might require extra assistance, will be negatively affected by these changes. The Evening Standard has also reported that at some stations where ticket offices have closed people are queuing for around 30 minutes to get a ticket and sometimes for as long as an hour.

Some Londoners are "up in arms" about many of these, and other, issues. However, like much of the electorate, both locally and nationally, many people feel disconnected from, and disillusioned by, politics and simply shrug and put up with it.

obieone Tue 23-Feb-16 12:27:39

I dont think Caneron is in a win-win.
He has a life after 10 Downing Street. If the vote is to Leave, he will appear personally to have lost.That wont be quite as good for his after dinner speaking/Europe or whatever else jobs he has in mind.
Not to mention his personal feelings about current friends and colleagues afterwards too.

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 11:33:16

Jingle I am quite sure you have many friends that you do not share the same view with.

I am not being sarcastic by the way. I just don't think of you as being one of those people who refuse to mix or be friends with another just because they don't share your views , religion or politics. Your not that boring .

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 23-Feb-16 11:27:16

I'm wondering how the Gove/Cameron friendship will stand up to this. Sounds like the two families are quite close. Bit sad if that is spoilt. Hopefully they will all put it behind them once the referendum is over.

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 11:22:40

He must have a high profile like him or not.

He was singled out time and again by 'both' sides of the House in a mocking manner yesterday, very mature.
He has been the most covered person by the media for days.
Even Gransnet has a dedicated thread just for him.

He doesn't have to promote himself , others do it all for him.

obieone Tue 23-Feb-16 11:17:39

There would still be some left out of 8 million people trisher, but I dont hear a peep.

Anya Tue 23-Feb-16 11:16:08

Cameron is a canny politician, he's in a win-win situation and he knows it.

If he loses and the UK comes out of Europe it won't matter to him as he has already stated he's standing down before the next election. So he'll do that 'more in sorrow than in anger' whilst reminding us how democratic he has been by fulfilling his election pledge and letting the electorate decide.

Should he win and the UK stays in then ditto - either way, either result, it's easy to spin.

NanaBridget Tue 23-Feb-16 10:45:27

Wow !!

Daggers are out, is there a divorce in the air?

David Cameron has vented his frustration at Boris Johnson over Europe, as he ridiculed the mayor of London over his apparent call for a second EU referendum and came close to accusing him of backing a vote to leave to boost his chances of one day leading the Conservative party.

In a sign that a Tory truce on Europe is under severe strain before the official campaigning has even begun, the prime minister infuriated anti-EU campaigners by describing Johnson’s idea for a second vote as undemocratic and one “for the birds”.

As the London mayor shook his head and shouted “rubbish” in the Commons chamber, the prime minister mocked Johnson by likening his idea for a second referendum to a couple who start divorce proceedings as a way to make up.

“I have known a number of couples who have begun divorce proceedings,” Cameron said in remarks that were seen to be aimed at Johnson, who has experienced trouble in his marriage. “But I do not know any who have begun divorce proceedings in order to renew their marriage vows.”

trisher Tue 23-Feb-16 10:41:30

obeione Londomers aren't up in arms because he has moved out all the low income families, the people left are either stinking rich or working desperately all the hours they can trying to make ends meet.

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 10:35:34

I agree POGS, we are use to the press supporting their chosen party but this has spread to the Beeb , I want balanced reporting for all parties

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 10:32:29

Not so Jingle, how about the name of one Labour PM who was forced out of office , if they are all the same there must be at least one ?

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 10:08:15

Re the point made over news coverage.

I agree the weakness of the British t.v news coverage such as the BBC and Sky and to a degree newsprint ( I can watch 24/7 t.v coverage but could not profess to knowing what every newspaper writes so a folly to make a statement on their coverage) are more interested in Boris Johnson and 'whether or not ' he is grandstanding and it is as futile an exercise as asking if Corbyn will still be Leader in 2020. Nobody knows, nobody particularly cares and it just shows a total lack of capability by the media to debate / impartially give news coverage of any interesting , informative news.

It is the same with anybody. If you dislike them you will be of the mind set he/she can do no right and feel free to give opinions, that's all they can ever be opinions, that try to disparage them . If you like somebody you will be more generous in your opinion, that's how human nature works. It's fine for forums such as GN which are just platforms for us all to put out two penneth in but ye Gods can't the media get to grips with facts and figures , produce information that relate to one of the biggest decisions we have to make for our future. angry

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 23-Feb-16 10:07:25

They are not "turning on Dave". He allowed them a free hand to campaign for whichever side they feel is right.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 23-Feb-16 10:05:02

Oh face it! They're all the same! hmm

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 10:02:27

I have never seen a party leader looking joyful on losing an election, remind me of just one .

Thatcher was PM when they turned on her , now they are doing the same to Dave . Perhaps you can recall a labour PM who was booted out of office by his own cabinet ?

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 23-Feb-16 09:55:30

They all made out it was his fault. Kicking a man when he was down.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 23-Feb-16 09:54:37

Well, he looked pretty bloody miserable about it. grin

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 09:52:57

When did the Labour shadow cabinet stabbed Milliband in the back Jingle? He stood down after losing the election

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 23-Feb-16 09:50:27

Milliband!

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 23-Feb-16 09:49:42

Oh and the labour lot didn't with wot'sisface? (Ed - you know!)

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 09:41:46

Boris will stand for party leader when Dave stands down, I think he will win it too, his plan has worked so far and we are seeing Dave's career dying just as we saw with thatcher, the tories do tend to stab their leaders in the back

obieone Tue 23-Feb-16 08:49:42

I wonder whether even if there is an In result, whether Boris will still end up being PM at some point.
He could come out of this looking and smelling of roses. He loves this sort of thing.

He does seem a bit of a ditherer though in general.

If he was that bad as London mayor, Londoners would be up in arms and they are not.

Is he like Trump? A tamer version.

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 08:44:36

Cameron doing his usual well rehearsed ,pathetic , , juvenile comment and it suddenly makes him look a tad infantile ? He has done the very same for years , he is a tad infantile