How will you vote in the EU referendum? (Thread 2)

POGS,

Calm down dear!

Are you paid commission for the stuff you post?

I emailed Tata for permission to be at their meetings. Unfortunately I haven't had any response. I even mentioned your name and wrote that I should only believe primary sources, but apparently they haven't heard of you.

You have written absolute nonsense. Of course Tata doesn't want to continue subsidising a loss-making business. It's also pretty obvious to anybody with a brain bigger than a goldfish that steel production is an important issue in an economy. Anybody with a few statistics to hand can work out the effect on the economy round Port Talbot and the cost to the state in benefits.

It really isn't that difficult to work out that, particularly in an uncertain world, steel is important. It isn't that difficult to work out that if a small area loses 40,000 jobs, the whole area is going to be devastated. And what happens when the Chinese have detroyed the competition and raise their prices?

Ahhh...but... they don't vote Conservative - which is all that seems to matter to our current overlords. Sod the plebs! They don't bother us. We'll pay our mates in the media to portray them as commies. We might need to increase the level of security on our gates - so what? Lower taxes from raised threshholds and turning a blind eye to tax havens will pay for that. And the middle classes who voted for us? Tee hee! We conned them right and proper!

Unless you happen to be one of the 1%, you're a sheep.

JessM, I can't claim to be an expert in the steel industry, but that's my understanding too. I would also add that the government has seen this coming, but seems to have made no pro-active intervention to lessen the blow. It would appear that there is no long term plan for British manufacturing. All we ever see are short-term promises and creative use of statistics to win votes.

Seems he is going to plead for the steel workers

Why is he flying to India to hold talks with Tata?
He's a bit late for that. He could just ask Stephen Kinnock about his meeting.

Did you Ana? Blimey you were wrong then ,

Blimey Annie, have you been on the pop? Thought you never swore...

Aw the business secretary is flying to India to hold talks with TATA, and he has only just flown back from a fact finding / jolly in Australia, pity he was too busy accompanying his daughter around Australia to attend the first meeting. I am surprised he is going, thry didn't even tell him they were selling up - well so he claims

Who could ever think Carwyn was antything but left wing ,

No thank you POGS, I have no wish to read your post a second time, it was bleeding obvious the first time , all your posts are

Rubbish, POGS.

It's all left wing, right wing bias. It has to be. It's political.

The best thing ever would be for the government to bail out the steel works, but it will not as that would mean nationalisation.
Using PQE would do it, but it's against their political principles.

Steel workers want jobs, not to be closed down. Unions - left wing bias.
The government will not help - right wing bias.

Try taking the left winger out of Carwyn Jones.

Durhamjen

It is not about YOU. You twisted my post and continue to do so.

I will reiterate my position . Today I posted to say if anybody is 'truly'' interested in TATA and the Steel Industry Carwyn Jones is LIVE on t.v giving a ' Statement on TATA Steel' in the Welsh Assembly so if anybody wanted to hear from the horses mouth not spin/bias by a left wing or right wing prospective I was giving information there was a Statement ongoing in the Welsh Assembly for them to assess information for themselves.

As per normal a tiny posse then insist on removing any 'context' from posts in the belief they are being spoken to and no bugger else. It was a general post on Gransnet not directed to you or any other individual poster. There wasn't even an argument aimed at you or anybody else, there was no challenge to anything you or anybody else said YET as normal there is an inherent need to make things personal by the same handful of posters and like a prat I fell into the trap again.

But I put posts on from Hansard and the Guardian, who also quote Hansard, and I am definitely left wing.
So what do you suggest there, POGS?

Most of the contributors to the Port Talbot debate were left-wing.

Anniebach.

Stating the bleeding obvious in your post 20.02

Read my post again, that is exactly what I was saying. I was posting to say if you want to know the truth from the horses mouth watch/listen to debates etc. direct from Parliament not by reading listening to bias/ spin from left wing /right wing posters or the Guardian or Daily Mail.

Ye gods . Follow the posts not the posters.

10/10, JessM.
It's a shame the government cannot see what's wrong with that.

Harrigran, that was because there were no pollution controls before it was closed.
We actually have the EU to thank for pollution controls now.

I am sure all those people made redundant really appreciated that. Consett had double the unemployment rate of the rest of the UK after the steelworks were closed down. It now is average because people have had to leave to get work.

Yep, you got it right JessM

POGS, if one often reads and posts reports from Hansard that is not reading or quoting the Gusrdian is it

Have I got this right folks...?
The Chinese are dumping cheap steel on the world market.
Some UK plants have closed and others are under threat.
This will result in loss of jobs, loss of income tax, increase in benefits payout and the lack of a capacity to make steel in the UK in future.
Osbourne and Cameron have been busy courting the Chinese as business partners.
The EU has been used as an excuse for them not supporting UK steel plants.
However it is the UK government that has been blocking defensive action by the whole EU - because the logical response would be for the whole EU to put a big import tax on Chinese steel.
They are blocking this because they are trying to do the Chinese a favour and stay friends with them.
But now the Chinese have slapped a 46% tariff on the type of steel made in Port Talbot. Thus protecting their own manufacturers.

Consett is a much cleaner place to live now. Forty years ago the hedgerows were thick with red dust and you could spot the steel workers at a hundred paces.

The rest is from other European countries - a good reason to vote to stay in the EU, to keep prices down.

45% of Nissan steel in Sunderland comes from Port Talbot.

northeastlabour.eu/government-must-act-over-steel

Jude Kirton-Darling saying what the government can do to protect the UK steel industry.
Sorry she's a Labour MEP, but the Tory ones aren't saying.

I was actually watching the debate on BBC131 and following it live on the Guardian website.
Where does that put me on your political spectrum?

I am interested because it is over thirty years since Consett steelworks was closed down in 1980; it was about the same size, 4,500 workers, and it is still recovering.
I live equidistant to/from Durham and Consett.

Pot calling kettle black there, POGS.

I did say sensible women and most of those would be found doing other jobs - let's face it who in their right mind really wants to go and sit with a whole lot of overgrown schoolboys behaving badly most days!