Germany

I dont doubt that currently, most of Germany is a nice place to live.

But equally, I dont think it is hard for most to see, that the immigration policy of the EU and Germany in particular, has potential for a lot of trouble in Germany. Particularly as regards the high numbers of them, and over a very short period of time.

It doesnt help that it appears that the current Government there does not seem very willing to listen to its people.
High and quick mass immigration has very big practical issues which Angela Merkel is willing to ignore even though she is being advised.

She is reminding me of the last years of Margaret Thatcher.

This is what happens when people have had 'enough'
And yes, it does remind me of the end of the Thatcher years. They are obviously very clever people with a few 'ologies' between them but they know bugger all about humane nature.

On the other hand, Germany's population density is around 230 per square kilometre, whereas in England it's over 400 (much lower in the UK as a whole, but England is now more crowded than the Netherlands). They have a lot of space to fill, a low birth rate and an ageing population. The rapid pace of immigration to Germany is causing problems, but they do need more young people.

I don't understand. Luckylegs9 and petra how can most Germans have had enough if the AfD did not become the strongest party in any of the three states? I read that the CDU was still stronger than the AfD in all three states and in one state (Baden-Wuerttemberg), the Green party made big gains and it supports Merkel's position on refugees.

I agree the AfD made huge gains, but how does that translate as 'most Germans have had enough'?

Personally I think a majority of Germans will turn away from the AfD - especially those in West Germany - because it is far too right wing. None of the other parties will enter into a coalition with the AfD.

The success of the AfD party makes your blood run cold. But Angela Merkel is solid. And there is no one to take her place. Thank the Lord.

jing yes I so agree, but I am sure as wilma said the Germans will not accept that the AfD is the answer.

Maggie, Germany's population density is indeed lower than in Engtland, but Germany also has areas, like parts of Scotland and Wales, which are have a very low population density. If you compare the UK and Germany, you'll find that they are not that different.

jings I agree. Watching the AfD celebrating their wins is scary stuff. Some of them come over as true right wing fanatics.

About 260 in the UK as a whole, daphnedill, so 30 people more per km2 than in Germany. That is actually quite a big difference.

You all have been taken in with the protest rallies. Believing what Der Spiegel says. A lot of what i read about Germany convinces me that most peole here from the UK or the US just aren't fluent enough to pick up the real truth. You get an article from the Russian-Germans stating that they are scared for their wives and daughters!. I know that more Russians are abusers of women than these refugees are.
They are having a field day with there protests and due to them we have lost one of the best representatives in the Stuttgart parliament that we ever had. The AFD people are only AGAINST. They are not FOR anything. i don't know how that is going to solve any problems.
My father in law always said in the 1970s 'Der Russ kommt!' he meant the threat from East Germany and I joked with my husband this morning that his father was right but that Der Russ has come but not how he thought he would.
They got most protest votes in areas where the Russians with a German grandfather had come over and settled here. Some say they only had a Deutsche Schäferhund(Alsation dog)
I did hear the other day that the Russians are leaving Baden-Baden so maybe they will return to where they came from.
One thing is certain, Germany has many who do not wish her well but for the most of us we like it here and don't feel frightened of a few brown eyed young men we see on the streets, my own daugter works with a group of refugees. We are kind hearted people. But nobody writes an article about us -who would read it?

MargaretX. I can tell that you love your country, and quiet rightly so, you have something to be proud of. I've visited Germany many times, the last time, last year.
But what if those brown eyed men out numbered your blue eyed men?

What /which points raised by posters do you disagree with Margaret X for you to think we are fooled?

How many blue eyed men in Germany?

Lots, Annibach! My relatives for a start and me.

You aren't in Germany are you, wot?

My heritage is, and so are my relatives.

Oh, I dunno what u meen, anyways!

Anniebach. I sometimes wonder what planet your on.

Not nice being called a Nazi at school! It must be hell being a blac k person.

We have read articles about the kind hearted people.

But that doesnt mean we ignore the other things written about Germany does it?

Post replying to MargaretX.
Margaret, how much do you travel about in Germany?

Wot. "It must be hell being a black person" In what context?

Dealing with prejudice, spoken or unspoken.(or imagined, even)

Petra, as you are pondering on what would happen if there were more brown eyed men than blue eyed men in Germany I am grateful I am not on your planet

MargaretX. Is it a coincidence that Germany are changing their rape laws ?