Anti Semitism in Labour Party and Universities.

Really, roses! I didn't hear it so tomorrow will find it on catchup. Thank you for the info.

Two faced of him beating in mind the nasty propaganda pushed by Tory party re Ed Milliband. He never voiced his opposition to that not so subtle anti semitism.

True Penstemmon .

Actually nigglynellie that's not true. The bombers could reach the concentration camps. Allied bombers conducted surveillance of the area in preparation for bombing of German oil factories, some less than five miles from the gas chamber and crematoria. They had photos of the railway leading to Auschwitz. Why not bomb the railway if they were concerned abou loss of life?

Penstemmon

It was the United Nations who planned the Partition. The Jewish State was to receive 56% of the land area of Mandate Palestine encompassing 82% of the Jewish population,though it would be separated from Jerusalem. This was rejected by the Arab populance.

The same day as independance was declared Israel was attacked by Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. A tiny state attacked by all the Arab countries around it. In those days, I wouldn't have put any money on its survival.

Who would be happy to have part of their country taken from them and made a new country

'Their country!' 3,000 years ago there existed the KIngdom of Judea. The Jewish people have maintained ties with their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.

The twelve tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1,000 BC The second king, David, first made Jerusalem the nation's capital.

1882, Palestine was never exclusively an Arab country, fewer the 25,000 Arabs lived there. and the majority arrived in recent decades. No Palestinian or Arab state ever existed in Palestine, nor was it exclusively an Arab country.

1882 was some time before the forties , so it was a country called Palestine but few Palestinians lived there ?

I'm sure you know, Venus, that the State of Israel was actually declared the day before the British Mandate was due to end. This was because Ben Gurion and the Jewish Agency didn't want to accept the UN terms. The Arab states didn't accept it either, but Israel had military supremacy and Israel became a 'de facto' state. Since then, Israel has continued to expand its territory by military means. Did you really expect Arabs who had their land taken away from them to accept it?

Quite honestly I don't need your history lessons and I rather suspect that some pages have been ripped out of your text books. Your distorted view of history makes me, if anything, more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

None of your views alter the fact that Arabs in Israel are discriminated against and that their homes and villages are being taken over by Jewish Israelis. Attempts are even being made to silence dissident Israeli Jews.

None of this has much to do with anti-Semiticism in the UK. Most anti-Semitic thugs are racists and they don't care whether their victims are Jewish, black, Muslim or just different. Most of them are thick as **, but not all. Nick Griffin is a Cambridge graduate. In his twisted mind, there is a white supremacy ideology. You really should be seeking out real racism, including anti-Semiticism, rather than lecturing on ancient history. You don't speak for 100% of Jews, nor is the Israeli state the mouthpiece for all Jews.

PS. I am glad that Corbyn doesn't support Jewish faith schools. Ironically, the investigation into their curriculum has come about as a result of the criticism of Muslim faith schools. Neither should be publicly funded. It seems that Arkush is upset that he can't get Corbyn on his side.

Oh for goodness sake, Venus! Get yourself a decent history book! If you want to talk ancient history, let's all go back to Africa.

Daphnedill
I was answering Anniebach, who said that that it was the Arab's land, when it wasn't. Archeological evidence supports the fact that the Israelis had presence there for 3,000 years.

The UN planned the partition and it was accepted by the Jews as a Jewish State. It was certainly not taken by force. I hardly think Israels' military capabilities matched up to the assault of four Arab nations either. I also dispute that Israel has expanded it's terrritory, infact quite the opposite, which I have already explained. I have no history books. All information is checked on the internet.

Could it be that you have a distorted view as to who should have Israel? In 1917 the Balfour Declaration promised the land to the Jews, way before 1948.

'Quite honestly, I don't need your history lessons' either.

Be as sympathetic as you like to the Palestinian cause, for as long as the State of Israel is not recognised by them, they will continue to guard it's borders and protect its people. I'm am, indeed, somewhat surprised that one Jew's opinion can sway you one way or another!

'For goodness sake' Daphnedill, get your facts right. On 9th February 2016, when meeting the Jewish Board of Deputies, Mr Corbyn affirmed his support for Jewish Faith schools.

He also gave a solid commitment to the right of Israel to live within secure and recognised boundaries as part of a two state solution to the Israel- Palestinian conflict.

And one more thing. My grandson goes to a Jewish state school, which has high academic success rates. Not only that, it doesn't preach to the children that Muslims are bad, or that any other faith is wrong. . . unlike Muslim faith schools that tend to spew out anti semitic propaganda.

FGS. This conversation is getting absurd. There was no country called Palestine in 1948. If you don't believe this then do some research, it's all on line! and you will find out exactly what the situation regarding the people's of the Holy Land was at this time and prior to it.
Again, with regard to whether it was possible to bomb the death camps, it's all on line for anyone to read. In fact anything you want to know about is on line, so why this pointless bad tempered argument? Just log in and find out!!

The title of this thread was labour v Jews, now it has become Jews v Muslims, this is not a thread on anti semitism , it starts with an attack on the Labour Party now has turned into an attack on Muslims under the pretence of anti semitism

I agree with Daphnehill and as for reading it all on line , has all on line become the truth .

The treatment of the people of Palestine by Israel is wicked and that many people believe this does not make them anti Semitic

Well, there are two sides to this argument, and it does seem strange to me that by and large the West Bank is peaceful, and Gaza is not! Could this have anything to do with Hammas?!! If your avowed intent is to annihilate your neighbour, and constantly attack them, to say the least that neighbour isn't going to be friendly towards you, which in turn will inevitably adversely affect the people you claim to be supporting!!!

The point Venus brought up regarding anti semitic sentiments being expressed in (some Muslim) schools, not only in schools but also in places of worship, I would reiterate that I have seen undercover investigations on Channel 4 Dispatches where bile ridden sermons with hatred directed at Jews, Christians and Homosexuals, urging the congregation to carry out violent acts against non Muslims. I can only speak as an occasional Catholic, but I don't perceive any Christian church, aside from some of the strange Bible belt churches in America, would preach such hatred and get away with it.

Apropos of a comment on here yesterday stating that Muslims live in fear of their lives in the west, bearing in mind the first two news items at the moment, the Belgian atrocities and the planned drive by shooting in West London that had been foiled, I think there are many of us who live with the constant fear, including the vast majority of peaceful Muslims, where will they strike next. Quite possibly if I were Jewish I would feel at times a sitting target.

The silly statement that here Muslims live in fear of their lives was just that.... A silly statement.

I think information on line is going to be as truthful as information gleaned anywhere else, particularly if you research old documents and speeches and anythingelse written and spoken at the relevant time. It's pretty easily sifted out!

Thank you TerriBull for your astute understanding and as Nigglynellie says, it's all on line for anyone to read. That is the only place I researched my information. I only wish I'd have this wonderful facility when I went back to studying for my B.A. and Master's Degree in my forties.

I'm not attacking Muslims, just saying that children are indoctrinated at an ealy age at school and Sunday school to consider Jews to be the enemy.

I'm tired of the animosity, and feel there is little point in continuing. I do have a life outside of here (A husband battling cancer) so I don't need any further stress.

I'm sure those with the loudest voices will find someone else to argue with.

Thanks to those who have seen some sense in what I've posted.

I would not be at all surprised if less educated Muslims said some strange and untruthful things based on what they think they have been brought up to believe is about their religion when it is actually cultural. It was ever thus. I can remember RCs who would tell our Jewish friends at school that they killed Jesus, that we were wrong for eating meat on a Friday and many other foolish things. Oh, and I don't think they were keen on homosexuality or, to some extent women either - very misogynistic.

Defining any religion by it's least educated or critical members is not helpful. If I had to show people a view of the UK as defined by the worst hatred I have seen, particularly from older folk on forums all said in the name of "loving our country" I think many would be quite horrified that this view of the UK then included them.

This thread was not headed Labour v Jews; it asked a question. There will, I have no doubt, be some anti any group you can think of in each and every party. Surely, what we need is the parties and the religions to keep saying what their real beliefs are.

With respect Venus, your voice has been the loudest, sorry but to accuse others when you have posted the longest and most posts is unfair,mi think you really mean - those who do not agree with me, and I do not agree with you, I am able to separate the Palestinian and Israel war from anti semitism throughout countries or British political parties

Of course you are Annie and you would think most would be able to . Life is complicated; if people want a simple answer they may find others don't agree with them.

Thank you Grscesgran . To suggest Corbyn may be anti Semitic because of who he speaks to makes Mo Molam an IRA sympathiser - and me going over to the tories !

Venue probably meant those who have the loudest voices on this forum.

I think many people agree that Jeremy Corbyn spending a lot of time talking to Palestenians and not Jews has raised eyebrows and questions.