Anti Semitism in Labour Party and Universities.

rosesarered, Who exactly is denying that there's anything happening within the Labour Party? Corbyn isn't.

I do not accept that pushing an anti-Israel agenda is anti-Semitic by association, nor do the Israelis in opposition or many Jews around the world.

blueskies, Yes, I've noticed that too. They say more or less the same thing and use the same tactics. Do you think they have a handbook? ;-)

This is going round in circles we agreed that it was not anti-semetic to dislike the actions of Israel sometime ago.

A good leader can engage in a debate frankly and throughly, knowing that at the end he and the other side must be closer and thus emerge stronger. You don't have that idea when you are arrogant, superficial and uniformed

Nelson Mandela

This was called an unpleasant thread, a vile thread, by some posters, which is baffling.Because it had to do with the Labour Party?
But yes, there probably isn't anything much left to say on the subject now.

So who is 'arrogant, superficial and uninformed' anniebach posters on here who don't agree with you, David Cameron, Corbyn, Jewish people?

It's a quote from Nelson Mandela. I'm sure he'd tell you if he weren't dead.

Anyone who doesn't take the same road as Mandela , Mo Molam did and this started the peace talks in N Ireland yet she was called an IRA supporter just because she spoke to them in The Maze

No, there isn't much to say, but I'm curious why you're still conflating criticism of Netanyahu's government with anti-Semiticism in your post 25 Mar 11.54.37.

I'm also wondering who these 'unpleasant types' in Momentum are. Do you actually know what Momentum is all about?

It seems that the discussion is all but over, but you still want to chuck in a few insults.

Thank you daphne I'm sure I would not have known that was a quote without your helpful comment ( although the Nelson Mandela written under it did rather give it away.)
I was asking anniebach why the quote was relevant.

daphne you are rather good at 'chucking in a few insults 'yourself.

Mo Mowlam was lady who died far too young.

I agree. There are people even within the Israeli government who want to try and negotiate peace, but Netanyahu isn't having it. As far as he's concerned, peace isn't possible and he sees a solution only in terms of oppression by harrassment and military might. It's no coincidence that he's best buddy with Putin. He's not interested in negotiating.

It has become very obvious that there is antagonism to the suggestion of anti-semitism within the Labour Party.

However, this thread has given readers food for thought.

She's told you why it's relevant, rosesarered.

So why do you persist with your misconceptions -insults- when you agree that the discussion is at an end?

You're still at it! No, there isn't. lol

daphne it may be news to you, but you don't actually control this thread, or any other. Adding a lol doesn't make anything amusing btw.

The 'food for thought' means that Venus gave a lot of very interesting information about Jewish history, also about how she and another poster felt at the moment, being Jewish and troubled by the rise in anti-semitism and links to Corbyn, his supporters, and their friendship with people who hate Jews.Some ( only some) posters on here found that an insult to the Labour Party and didn't like it, so veered off the subject when they could.
Yes, there isn't any point going on, but being dismissive about it speaks volumes IMO.

Surely the history of the Jewish history was veering off the subject

Why the quote was relevant? Are you skipping most of the posts rosesesrered

Thank you for the unpleasant pm daphnedill but we don't go in for that on this forum.

Goodness, this is getting very nasty!

This thread is well past its sell by date, and should be knocked on the head without delay.

To be honest it might as well be 'knocked on the head' because the OP was never going to be debated/discussed with any rationality remaining within the remit of the OP. I am happy to put the final nail in but I will explain why.

I knew the left wing posters and those who tell us of their left wing activism would defend and divert attention away from 'current political affairs' by referring to the past or ignoring points raised in the OP concerning our ' Universities ' . The percieved history of Israel by posters also deflected from the remit in the OP. I was hoping to hear the view of some posters I hold a high regard for and for the most part this did not happen. I have to therefore assume that either this topic is of no interest, they too think it a vile thread, totally disinterested or possibly fed up with political threads in general.

I feel satisfied that prior to starting this thread upto it's possible conclusion, if that happens today, I have watched and heard so many Labour MP's being interviewed or discussing this problem on political programs such as Daily Politics that I am heartened that at least the Parliamentary Labour Party MP's (not the grass roots) are boldly voicing their views and I will watch for the Baroness Royal Inquiry into claims of anti semitism in the Oxford University Labour Club /London School of Economics etc.etc. as part of the review into Labours Youth Wing. I hope the contraversial comment by the Political Director of Unite does not muddy the water over the fact Baroness Jan Royall is a member of the Labour Friends of Israel group , a matter that can be seen as slightly ironic given the Inquiry's remit.

I think that perhaps those of us who are not labour supporters probably shouldn't have entered this debate. I for one really don't know enough about Labour politics to comment one way or another. I got carried away off the point and shouldn't have commented at all, I realise that now, and apologise for deviating. It's a pity this conversation has had to end badly, but unfortunately they so often do in political discussions. As you say POGS perhaps people are just getting fed up with political threads in general.

and politics in particular!!!!!!