And the systematic destruction of Palestine is happening now.
I am sure that there have been many developments for the benefit of mankind that have come from Israel. That has nothing to do with me or others boycotting fruit grown on stolen land. To be honest I am torn about boycotting speakers etc. as I do believe communication and challenge of ideology is key in moving thinking . However if it is a one way conversation or rhetoric it is not valuable.
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Anti Semitism in Labour Party and Universities.
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I am raising this as a separate conversation although it has been mentioned on another thread re the Muslim Female Councillors and reports of Mysogyny.
It is worrying to know Anti Semitism is reportedly rising in the UK . When a Political Party is facing accusations of Anti Semetism that becomes a major issue. Now my comment will be challenged but I for one have been asking how such blatent cases of Anti Semitism are being allowed in the UK. We have laws to handle it but they are not being used, why? I will most certainly be happy to say that I do not believe for one minute the majority of Labour MP's nor voters are Anti Semetic, quite the reverse, but is it time voices spoke out against Anti Semitism or at least understood it is an issue within some parts of the Labour Movement.
I have noticed this tendancy from certain Labour MP's and groups they belong to for many years but they were always under the radar and not thought 'influencial' enough, however times have changed. Labour run councils have used Anti Semetic behaviour over issues such as Flying the Palestinian Flag over Tower Hamlets , Calls for boycotting of Israeli goods, banning Jewish films etc. etc.
There is no doubt more interest being taken by the media over such matters and there are calls for Corbyn to show leadership over the actions of the Labour Party activism at Oxford University , indeed something is going radically wrong with our universities full stop an entire thread could be dedicated to that topic alone. I am not talking of racist tweets such as those made by MP's such as Dianne Abbot , Helen Goodman et al. Whilst they are relevant it would just dissolve into a tit for tat fest of he said she said to the left and right of politics. There are idiots in all party's !
I am not , and some will not believe a word of what I am about to say, trying to score a political point. I take my hat off to those Labour MP's who are speaking openly about this problem and calling for action from their Leader. This is not some right wing rag hyperbol taking place but there is something of a 'menacing ' tendency in some quarters of the Party and I hope those MP's who are doing their damnedest to openly stop it's progression do not fail or as some have eluded to run the risk of deselection for speaking out, that's another thread story too.
Pity Israel ignored the many warnings of the children and women who had sought sancutary in the MSF hospital last year
In 2005, Israel completed withdrawal of all its troops and settlers from the Gaza strip, a huge chunk of land, compared with the rest of Israel.
The Islamist Hamas movement, which runs Gaza, explicitly rejects Oslo and its Charter calls for Israel's 'nullification.'
We all know there is a problem. Nobody denies it, and the sooner an agreement can be reach on both sides, the better. But Israel, a democratic country, will continue to protect its borders and people until she is assured that it's recognised by the Arab countries and is not under threat of annilation.
As I've mentioned before, there is a very thin line between antisemitism and hatred of Israel.
ab, presumably you approve of Hammas using women and children as human shields particularly in hospitals and schools? Instead of protecting the vulnerable, they were often in the frontline of any hostility, obviously for maximum propaganda, are you seriously saying this is acceptable?! It does seem odd to me that other, powerful Arab States don't do more to assist in the overthrow of Israel?! Lots of rhetoric, but curiously no action!! Could it be that, for whatever reason a well run powerful all be it tiny Israel is an asset in this unstable region?! There's a thought!!!
Venus, Nobody is denying that Israel is a modern nation, which has contributed to modern technology, but you don't seem to know what that contribution is. It's ludicrous to claim that there would be no laptops, mobiles, etc without Israel. I'm still not sure what your comment about Zuckerman (sic) was supposed to mean. Mark Zuckerberg is American, was born and educated in America and is an atheist, so what's he got to do with anything?
You would have a far stronger case, if you stuck to facts and real cases of anti-Semiticism rather than parroting memes from the internet.
You may have seen a recent article in the Guardian by Nick Cohen. Despite his surname, he's not Jewish, although people assume he is and he suffers anti-Semitic abuse. The anti-Semitic comments about his article were so bad that the Guardian's editor turned the comments off and wrote an article about them. Apparently the Telegraph is going to abolish readers' comments for a similar reason. THAT's real anti-Semiticism. I don't know who was behind it, but it exists and must not be tolerated.
Forget the stuff from 3000 years ago. People feel less guilty about that than you obviously do about Israeli Jews' actions in modern Palestine. Forget the stuff about Israelis inventing (helping!?) most modern technology. They didn't and it makes you look ridiculous.
There are two separate issues:
1) Stamping on anti-Semitism
2) Working constructively to solve the 'impasse' in Israel/Palestine.
On a positive note, I read an article very recently that the Israeli government has finally started allowing Gazan farmers to export their goods to the West Bank. Unless Gaza can rebuild itself legally, it will continue to look to aggression and Hamas' extremism. What else do they have to lose?
Annibach, the only reference I can find to your post concerning the bombing of the MSF hospital appears to have happened to a hospital in Afghanistan by the US military. I failed to see what that has to do with Israel?
I'm puzzled by your allegation that Israel was involved in that.
How do you work out that Gaza is a huge chunk of land? This is getting silly. Have you seen a map of Israel? Gaza is tiny.
People should forgive, yes.
MSF hospital in Gaza attack. No need to be puzzled any more.
www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news-stories/press-release/gaza-msf-strongly-condemns-attack-al-shifa-hospital
Venus please stop drawing absurd conclusions. Disapproving of Israel's actions is not 'hatred of Israel". I believe that it is important to act to support anyone, regardless of race, colour or religion, whose human rights have been ignored or threatened.
daphnedill thanks for the link a horrific story but I have no doubt Venus will attempt to justify what happened- terrorists under the hospital beds, dead and wounded children -Hammas in disguise?
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The source of the rockets which hit the hospital is disputed. It wouldn't be the first time one side in a war has lied. In any case, I thought you claim that the attack didn't happen.
I provide links and I acknowledge them as links. I don't copy and paste other people's words and pass them off as my own.
What a shame, Venus! It would have been interesting to have had a grown-up talk about anti-Semitism. Who's preaching you?
Errrrmmm....you must have a different version of Wiki from me!
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Are you a newly appointed mod, nigglynellie?
The problem is that Venus has posted nonsense and can't defend herself when challenged. Do you agree that people should be allowed to spread myths and lies?
Maybe you live in the kind of world where people should be allowed to spout rubbish and get away with it, but I don't.
And still the OP is not discussed. Sigh.
Start an effing thread that discusses the rights and wrongs of the Israel/Palestine problems please, please, please .
I don't think you'll get many takers POGS! Too much antagonism, and downright rudeness so best avoided.
I asked for links to the hospital bombing so how could I claim it never happened? I guess your links must be better then the info I see, as you dispute what I post. I will defend anything I write, same as you.
POGS is right, let's leave the contentious issue of the rights and wrongs of the bad Israelis, who's medicines and technology you are not disinclined to use every day and talk about the Corbyn, the Labour Party and his terrorist friends.
However, I won't be, as I'm out for a quiet lunch now.
Yes, I was correct in my earlier post. No hope the future in this area then. Let's just hope these two nations keep their spleen themselves and don't drag in the rest of the world.
Thank you Daphnedill for posting the link , I see Venus excuses the attack , I cannot
Corbyn's terrorists friends Venus? Mo Molam was accused of having terrorist friends and Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist for years
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
I am sorry you have suffered racism, it has obviously scarred you
ab stop it- please! There are rights and wrongs on both sides, which Venus readily accepts, so let's just leave it at that. I can't possibly say whether anti sematism is rife in the labour party, which I think was the original OPs question. I don't know enough about it apropos the labour party as that party are of no interest to me.
I suggest you discuss it with POGS nigglenellie, I have only been a member of the Labour Party for fifty years
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