Anti Semitism in Labour Party and Universities.

Forgive me, I don't understand what you're getting at?! My remark was, for the sake of clarity, that I couldn't discuss the whys and wherefore of the labour party on any subject with anyone as I'm ignorant of the workings of this party whether discussing with POGs or Corbyn himself. Reason being that I'm not, or ever likely to be a member, and therefore not competent to discuss it with anyone at all. I hope this is clear. Incidentally, why do you always take everything as a personal insult to you where none is intended?!

As a membr of the Labour Party I clearly state that I want any member guilty of anti semetic behaviour ousted. I am a proud supporter of Palestine

Nothing to forgive nigglenellie, you wish to discuss anti sentiment in the Labour Party as does POGS who started this thread , I accept there is racism in every walk of life, I abhor racism . No idea what you mean by insult, I see no insult , sorry

With you Penstemmon, and no way do I accept Corbyn is a racist

I'll leave you all to get on with your discussion then.

If the only thing that you want to hear is that Corbyn is anti semetic you won't hear it from me. I will denounce racists but I have no evidence that that is a fact..

that Corbyn would consine racism in any form!

I doubt very much that I shall be following you, why on earth would I want to hear about Corbyns attitude to racism?!!!!

Could it be because you have posted on a thread of twenty pages the title - anti semitism and the Labour Party and universities ?

It went off piste almost straight away, that's why!!!!!

Anniebach

Who said Mo Molam was a terrorist sympathiser/had terrorist friends.? You have said this before and I cannot find out who/what/where it comes from. I am not saying this is not true I am interested who said it.

For those who are baffled as to the OP , this was a current affairs issue spoken of for days , infact it has been talked of for quite a while but escalated over the Oxford Labour Students Union allegations of Anti Semitism.. It's very easy to find. I suggest googling the following.

Labour MP. Shabana Mahmood Labour Anti Semitism
Labour MP. John Mann Labour Anti Semitism
Labour MP. Wes Streeting Labour Anti Semitism
Labour MP. Andy Burnham Labour Anti Semitism
Labour MP Ivan Lewis Labour Anti Semitism
Labour MP Rachael Reeves Labour Anti Semitism
Labour MP Michael Dugher Labour Anti Semitism
Labour MP Yvette Cooper Labour Anti Semitism
Lord Levi. Need I go on and on !.

That's why I said previously that whilst the grass roots seemingly do not accept there is a problem, as witnessed on this thread also, at least the Parliamentary Labour Party do. The so called grass roots / activists it would appear are proud of their behaviour and see it as a badge of honour. Whether it be the likes of Shabana Mahmood joining Anti Israel demonstrations or the likes of the many others and their Anti Semetic tweets, it's an issue and to say it is not happening is falsifying the truth.

My problem is there is a factual case to be made that goods produced in the Occupied Territories are not permitted but goods from Israel are perfectly legal under European Union Law and Israel is a member of The World Trade Organisation. War on Want, Stop The War , BDS are favoured by Corbyn , McDonnell, Abbot and sponsor Israel Apartheid week if I am not mistaken.

I note John McDonnell has in the last few days made a statement ( Google John McDonnel ' I'm not having it '.). It's not a joke and it's not a right wing press story, read it for yourselves. He says "LABOUR PARTY MEMBERS WHO EXPRESS ANTI SEMETC VIEWS SHOULD BE EXPELLED WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF RETURN" amid calls for the Labour Party to take stronger action following 'a series' of damaging allegations. Independent Newspaper 24th March 2016 amongst many others.

As for the Universities how can it be said there is no problem when Labour have the Baroness Royal Inquiry into Anti Semitism in the Labour Youth Wing. Oxford University / London School of Economics etc . A point was raised earlier in the thread that many Jewish people are abhorred by the violation by Israel over the Occupied Territories. I too have said I believe this is wrong. I also think Hamas and Hezbollah are equally guilty of doing harm. I asked then if the Students refuse , because of their Anti Semetic behaviour, to even share a platform with anybody who is Jewish the likes of Albert Einstein could be a target of their puerile, narrow minded Anti Semetic behaviour. As for calling Jewish students Zios the preferred term of Jew by the Ku Klux Klan etc. we are witnessing a nasty, sub culture developing and I hope Baroness Royall does not try to seep it under the carpet.

Out of interest I am not Jewish either.

Don't need your sorrow, thanks, Annibach, I assume you mean anti semitism, not racism, has affected me. True, it has. I stand up to it.

Palestinians in Israel are treated well, it's the one's under the control of Hamas that are badly treated because they only care about power, not the people. That is why they hide behind innocent civilans by storing weapons in 'soft' targets like the hospital and schools.

There's anti semitism everywhere, but one worries when the Labour leader has a tendancy to form friendships with people who are consider undersirables, to put it mildly.

Everyone has a right to air their opinions, I'm all for it and I shall air mine even if four people in particular try to shout me down.

Good informative post POGS there is a problem within the party that the leaders will have to root out. I hope everyone will at least agree with that.
(won't hold my breath emoji needed.)

And why has the word 'racism' crept into this, when we're supposed to be discussing anti semitism?

I have never suggested that the Labour leader is an anti semite, but his 'friends' are. He wouldn't want to appear guilty by association.

Anniebach

You have repeated how vile you think this thread is yet after posters tried to shut it down you and Penstemmon reignited the flame.

You may have wanted 'the last word' Annie but to get offensive all over again is a bit ridiculous and I note you only make statements not engage in any depth of debate.

What do you think of John McDonnell 's statement I wonder?
Do you think it is fair play to call a Jewish person Zio?
Do you agree with shops being targeted because they sell lawful goods , not necessarily food items only?
Would you refuse to share a platform to debate with another person simply because they are 'a Jew'.

I find pacifism and Christianity an inigma and I wonder at times how a persons mind works. What do you think of the 'HAMAS COVENANT ' that stipulates a want for 'DEATH TO ALL JEWS'. Do you agree with Stop The War and the fact they call Hamas and Hezbollah 'Our Friends'? I have watched thread after thread for years so I am sure the rhetoric will follow ' if you don't talk you get no where'. Perhaps we could have a whip round and send Mr. Corbyn to Daesh for a ruddy chat. That's what I gather some think is all that is necessary.

I see no difference between anti semitism and racism unless one is not permitted to say the Jews are a race

No one us shouting you down Venus just disagreeing with you and I think your claims that MSF would lie is wrong

POGS, Mo told me she had been accused of being an IRA sympathiser, I doubt our conversations will be found on the Internet. Perhaps there may be something you can find relating to Mo visiting The Maze and what some claimed then

Little point in debating it POGS, in my opinion a thread on anti semitism would be more acceptable and not one choosing one party , quite natural that a party member would defend such an allegation, not to deny it doesn't exist , just disliking something as evil as racism attached to one party

Anniebach

Aaah, so we must go on your hear say and a private conversation you inform us you had when it comes to your' statement ' re Mo Mowlam. Not sure that works for me to be honest, not that you will be bothered I'm sure. It is however a tenuous connection to make such a strong statement without the proof you ask of others so many times. I wondered why I could find no trace of it ever being said.

I agree you have not debated but it is a shame . I mentioned the thread on Tory Party Bullying to which I contributed a post saying it was a disgrace . When you cannot defend the indefensible it is better to acknowledge it happens rather than defend at all costs. Each to their own.

Again I repeat, I started this thread on a current affairs topic which was to do with Labour, in this instance. . If we went along the lines you would have us do then threads such as 'Tory Party Bullying' would be better off discussing bullying not specific to one party. You can't have your cake and eat it just because your party is the party in question.

Another point to ponder before we leave this subject is:

Despite enormous per capital financial aid, a Palestinian State established today, would be unable to stand on its own two feet economically. and would remain inextricably tied to Israel economically, making it a sovereign state in name only.

Well said POGS!

POGS, you obviously took little interest in the NI peace talks , quite true that you doubt Mo told me doesn't bother me in the slightest

Yes you did contribute posts on the Tory party bullying thread , and I have never said there is no anti semitism in the Labour Party, I do believe your thread title to be misleading, ok ?

Forgot to ask sorry, POGS , what has Christianity have to do with anti semitism? I hope you were thinking of the old - the Jews crucified Christ, offensive any time but at Easter ?

That, simply:

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