Anti Semitism in Labour Party and Universities.

I said the same thing, Penstemmon. I also asked questions, because I wanted to find out what was going on. I know more now about the sources of antisemiticism in the UK than I did at the beginning of the thread.

If anybody has a couple of hours to spare and is determined to find out real facts, the following links are interesting:

'The All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry Into Antisemitism (2015)', which can be found on...
antisemitism.org.uk/publications/materials-publications/

and the earlier 'Report of the
All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry
into Antisemitism (2006)' which can be found on the same site.

Noooo Rosesarered, not lose your respect , what can I do to gain it ? It troubles me come to think of it, how can one lose what one never had

Thanks for the insights. It's certainly possible to understand antisemitism in medieval and Tudor times. I knew about the moneylenders and that kings would rely on Jewish bankers to lend them money.

The above doesn't really explain the pogroms in Eastern Europe, where Jews weren't rich. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto lived in even worse conditions than the general populace, even before the Nazis got to them. Maybe this was more based on religious prejudices. I saw a survey claiming that Poland is still one of the most antisemitic countries in Europe, despite the fact that it hardly has any Jews.

True Elegran, seems man cannot accept differences

In Poland, which prewar had a few million Jews, the antisemitism was more for religious reasons, as most Poles were Catholic.
Polish Jews were on the whole poor and had the highest proportion of deaths in the holocaust than any other other country. Even Germany where most Jews were well off and managed to leave before the worst happened.
About 75% of french - born Jews survived, a lot of this due to the kindness of gentile families who hid them, (some catholic) or took them on as farm workers. Or they joined the Resistance and hid in the countryside.

I did say that one or two gransnetters had been interested to find out what is going on.... One or two.

Another snide comment from anniebach .....

The Jewish leaders demanded of the Romans, that Jesus be put to death

www.gotquestions.org/responsible-Christ-death.html

Agree with rosesarered. There are one or two posters who would rather defend the Labour Party than deal with the Labour Party. Exact same thing happened on the muslim women thread, which I will remember for a very long time, as that thread was even worse.

In certain quarters, only certain downtrodden people matter.

Confusing, are you speaking of polish jews, French Jews, German Jews when you speak of down trodden people ? Or the entire race ?

Obieone. How true.

The muslim women thread. Jews now seem low priority in the Labour Party too. I shall not even think about the status of Jewish women. If muslim women are not to be defended, Jewish women are not by certain people.

Annie - that's one of the characteristics of Jewish people. They were scattered all over the world, and absorbed the nature and customs of the country they ended in. Some became completely assimilated, others hung on to their religion. That's the way they survive.
eg there are many different styles of Jewish cooking, and
Jewish clothing.The yiddish language is a mix of hebrew and the language of whatever country they live in.
Jews aren't downtrodden in many countries - eg Morocco, the 'Stans.

I didn't read a thread on Muslim women so cannot comment, why do Jewish women need defending? Are they oppressed ? the one's I know are not

Sorry - that post is entirely off-topic.
To return - I'm a member of the Labour Party, but don't think anti-semitic MPs should be banned from the party. It's no good trying to banish those attitudes, they will always exist and need to be fought by education.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1224230-Newsnight-Labour-Muslim-Women-Councillors?pg=1

Here you are Annie if you really didn't see it. Strangely enough, none of the other Corbynites commented either.

Sorry, Tricia, but I couldn't let that pass.

I don't think they should be banned. If they were banned what of other MP's from all parties who have problems with different races and cultures , unless they have broken the law but if they had they would be out anyway . Racism is wrong no matter the race

Ana, if I said I didn t see the thread I didn't see it or did not really see it, I find your post offensive

It is not off-topic TriciaF. It is bang on topic as the same thing is happening on this thread too.

The love of the Labour Party blinds some to things that go on in it. Or else it trumps other problems and issues. I cant decide which.

How people have such devotion and commitment to a political Party is beyond me, but everyone is different.

I totally disagree Tricia F there should be no place for racists in the Labour party and and disliking Jews for being Jews is racist in my book. I am a member of the Labour Party.

Ana. Well done for re posting that. At least some people can't say they didn't see it.

I have just read the link re Muslim women. I had not seen it before. (I was trying to give up social media for Lent!) Of course it should not be happening and people in the Labour Party who have the postion to challenge this must do so. No defence for the indefensible. Equality underpins socialism..if people joining Labour do not realise that then again more needs to be done to make sure thoe joining fully support core principles. I guess there will always be disagreements on how to achieve things but core values are non negotiable.

TriciaF, Thanks for your info about Polish Jews. The first time I really thought about it was when I went to a talk after a showing of a film about the 'Kindertransport'. The speaker is quite a well-known Reform Jew and got us to discuss the reasons for hatred of Jews. He pointed out that many of those murdered were secular and were only part-Jewish because there was quite a lot of intermarriage. One of points he made was that Polish (and other Eastern European) Jews were poor, so the stereotype of Jews being rich bankers and world power seekers just didn't apply. His conclusion was that it was racism.

So if those who dislike Jews should be sacked should the same happen to those who dislike Muslims? Is dislike racism?