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POGS Thu 17-Mar-16 12:12:56

I am raising this as a separate conversation although it has been mentioned on another thread re the Muslim Female Councillors and reports of Mysogyny.

It is worrying to know Anti Semitism is reportedly rising in the UK . When a Political Party is facing accusations of Anti Semetism that becomes a major issue. Now my comment will be challenged but I for one have been asking how such blatent cases of Anti Semitism are being allowed in the UK. We have laws to handle it but they are not being used, why? I will most certainly be happy to say that I do not believe for one minute the majority of Labour MP's nor voters are Anti Semetic, quite the reverse, but is it time voices spoke out against Anti Semitism or at least understood it is an issue within some parts of the Labour Movement.

I have noticed this tendancy from certain Labour MP's and groups they belong to for many years but they were always under the radar and not thought 'influencial' enough, however times have changed. Labour run councils have used Anti Semetic behaviour over issues such as Flying the Palestinian Flag over Tower Hamlets , Calls for boycotting of Israeli goods, banning Jewish films etc. etc.

There is no doubt more interest being taken by the media over such matters and there are calls for Corbyn to show leadership over the actions of the Labour Party activism at Oxford University , indeed something is going radically wrong with our universities full stop an entire thread could be dedicated to that topic alone. I am not talking of racist tweets such as those made by MP's such as Dianne Abbot , Helen Goodman et al. Whilst they are relevant it would just dissolve into a tit for tat fest of he said she said to the left and right of politics. There are idiots in all party's !

I am not , and some will not believe a word of what I am about to say, trying to score a political point. I take my hat off to those Labour MP's who are speaking openly about this problem and calling for action from their Leader. This is not some right wing rag hyperbol taking place but there is something of a 'menacing ' tendency in some quarters of the Party and I hope those MP's who are doing their damnedest to openly stop it's progression do not fail or as some have eluded to run the risk of deselection for speaking out, that's another thread story too.

rosesarered Mon 28-Mar-16 22:52:17

However, I have to accept that you never will it seems, and move on.

Penstemmon Tue 29-Mar-16 08:19:54

Unless we can face the possibility that each of us could be wrong/racist/hiding our head in the sand we will not raise the quality of debate.

POGS Mon 11-Apr-16 01:22:38

So London Mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan says he wears 'a badge of shame' because of anti semitism in his party and suggests they should undergo training to tackle their prejudices. He also called on Corbyn to take a tougher stance whilst addressing a hustings organised by the Jewish Forum.

Another Labour councillor in Luton , Aysegul Gurbuz , has been suspended (pending an investigation) for making anti Semetic tweets . She reportedly tweeted Hitler was the greatest man in history and she hoped Iran would use a nuclear weapon to 'wipe Israel off the map'. 'Ed Miliband is Jewish, he will never become Prime Minister of Britain' . Also Labour councillor Khadim Hussain , former Mayor of Bradford is reported as being suspended from the party for anti Semetic comments.

Thank goodness there are voices of people who are acknowledging the issue such as Polly Toynbee who said on the Andrew Marr programme today 'appalling anti Semetic things have been said'.

Jeremy Corbyn on the same Andrew Marr programme also admitted there was a problem and he said " Anti semitism is absolutely abhorrent and wrong, anyone that commits any act of anti semitism that makes any anti semetic remark is auto excluded from the party and an enquiry follows immediately. We have suspended and will suspend any member that behaves in that way . Inquiries are going on , on the cases that have been referred to us . We are absolutely resolute on this, there is no place for any type of racism of any sort with in our party and I will ensure it is rooted out where it exists, we are dealing with it."

Good.

obieone Mon 11-Apr-16 09:09:46

Well done Sadiq Khan, Polly Toynbee and Jeremy Corbyn.

rosesarered Mon 11-Apr-16 11:16:11

Yes, good, nice to hear it.
that ignorant racist Labour councillor in Luton should perhaps be told that Britain has had a Jewish PM already.

nigglynellie Mon 11-Apr-16 12:25:35

I just can't get my head round this anti jewish rhetoric. This dislike (hatred?!) of Jews is quite beyond me. Why, FGS would any right minded person be so venomous about someone else simply because of their religious beliefs or racial origins?! Ed Milliband would never be PM because he's Jewish?!!! Whatever sort of way is that to talk?! Yes, we have had a Jewish PM, namely Disraeli, which can't be denied or changed. Referring to people as Zio's? In a derogatory way!! Unbelievable! Let's hope Jeremy Corbyn and anyone else comes up against this grabage gets a grip on this sinister development.

Nonnie Mon 11-Apr-16 13:05:35

Part of a quote from Boris

"Sadiq Khan has himself belatedly admitted that Labour is afflicted with anti-semitism. He has rightly called it a “badge of shame”. But for years now he has been sharing platforms with some of the most backward and sectarian forces in Islam – men such as Sulaiman Ghani, who has denounced gays and called women “subservient”, and called for the release of al-Qaeda terrorists.
Khan spoke at an event with a man called Azam Tamimi, who threatened reprisals of “fire throughout the world” after the Mohammed cartoons – words Khan dismissed as “flowery language”. Khan has repeatedly spoken at jihadi flag-waving events sponsored by the Islam Channel, which has been criticised by Ofcom for condoning marital rape. Khan hired a speech- writer who speculated that the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby was staged."

Don't know how much truth in this as all politicians manipulate info.

Anniebach Mon 11-Apr-16 13:23:22

I am interested in how much is anti semitism and how much anti Israel , they are not the same thing, I am against the Israel treatment of Pakistan but not anti Semitic

nigglynellie Mon 11-Apr-16 13:47:58

Pakistan? That aside, I think you'll find it's a hatred of Jews generally, otherwise why ban certain speakers on some university campus? answer:- They are Jews!

Anniebach Mon 11-Apr-16 14:00:20

I have no knowledge of English universities niggly ,

daphnedill Mon 11-Apr-16 14:45:09

niggly,

Please could you name the Jewish speakers who have been banned and which universities have banned them.

(Not disputing it, but haven't got the time to find out for myself.)

Anniebach Mon 11-Apr-16 14:55:32

I have contacted the Welsh universities student unions and it hasn't happened in Welsh universities. I think the universities should be named and await niggles list

daphnedill Mon 11-Apr-16 15:15:58

I have to go out, but in the limited time I had, I found out that the NUS officially 'no platforms' only five organisations:

1 The terrorist group Al-Muhajiroun,
2 The racist British National Party
3 English Defence League,
4 The neo-Caliphite organization Hizb ut-Tahrir
5 The anti-Semitic Muslim Public Affairs Committee.

Individual student unions are free to refuse to share a platform with individuals, so I'm assuming these prospective Jewish speakers come under this category. I'd be interested to know who they are.

Some universities refuse to no platform anybody, because they claim it's a denial of free speech.

Am also awaiting niggly's list.

POGS Mon 11-Apr-16 15:25:06

Anniebach
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jewish-students-subjected-to-increasing-anti-semitic-incidents_uk_56e1470ce4b05c52666e6f35

Anniebach Mon 11-Apr-16 15:26:24

I have read the Jewish Cronicle are claiming universities who have received Muslim speakers ,who in turn has criticised Isreal 's treatment of Pakistan , as anti Semitic , nothing about a university banning a Jew.

I accept and understand students criticising Israel, I do the same, this does not make a person anti Semitic . Will have to wait for niggle to share her knowledge of the anti Semitic universities

POGS Mon 11-Apr-16 15:28:56

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/18/oxford-student-left-antisemitic-university-antisemitism-jewish-progressive-politics

POGS Mon 11-Apr-16 15:31:32

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/anti-semitism-a-major-problem-in-uk-universities-says-former-co-chair-of-oxford-university-labour-a6879701.html

Anniebach Mon 11-Apr-16 15:34:36

Thank you POGS, it does seem the actions of Israel are causing deep anger, but 30 cases over five years is a very small number amoung thousands, it's wrong, but I am sure far more Muslims face far more racism . I cannot recall which university the British student who was shot by Israelis because he was helping some people in Pakistan was from

POGS Mon 11-Apr-16 15:35:18

www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Rowan-Williams-slams-growing-university-anti-semitism

Anniebach Mon 11-Apr-16 15:39:55

Yes POGS, I get it but I stand by my view it is anti Israel not the entire Jewish people

POGS Mon 11-Apr-16 21:09:51

Well as mentioned so many times before Anniebach we will see what the Baroness Royall Inquiry findings are.

rosesarered Tue 12-Apr-16 08:58:31

There seems to be a distinct 'lack of interest' in this subject POGS...... Wonder why?

absent Tue 12-Apr-16 09:32:54

Just for the record, Disraeli came from a Sephardic Jewish background. He converted to Anglicanism when young without, it seems, much conviction in either faith and could not have become an MP without having converted because of the parliamentary oath. He was by no means the first MP from a Jewish family but, yes, the first PM. I think Queen Victoria liked him rather more than Mr Gladstone.

I have no idea about the current oath and how that would affect a party leader committed to another faith or sect other than Anglican Christianity or, indeed, an agnostic or atheist.

POGS Tue 12-Apr-16 10:15:38

confused

whitewave Tue 12-Apr-16 10:18:21

Is this thread on a loop?