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The Rise of Donald Trump (c/f TTIP & immigration)

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thatbags Sun 27-Mar-16 10:51:38

A long but excellent appraisal of the reasons for the rise of Donald Trump by academics Bo Winegard and Ben Winegard. I was particularly struck with what they said about free trade deals and wonder if this would be of interest to the commenters on TTIP.

I've stuck a c/f in the title cos Gransnet doesn't have a hashtag facility. I thought this article deserved a thread of its own. It's an interesting and possibly enlightening read even if one doesn't want to comment.

POGS Sun 27-Mar-16 12:00:16

Thatbags

You have found another excellent article as far as I am concerned.

I particularly like section 11 which raises the chasm that has erupted between the 'so called' educated cultural elite and the white working class. To my mind working class of any colour or creed. How the educated elites have extinguished the esteem of the lower white America by deriding their cultural values and promoting a species of political correctness that righteously denounces everything and anything that does not hold dear to their mantra /catechism 'Diversity is Great'.

I whole heartedly agree with the article. The problem is I too like to hear someone 'say it as it is' as Trump most certainly does. But and it's a big but, when the serious side of the points raised meets the narcissism of the man called Trump the truth of what is said in the article becomes the bigoted words of Trump. How does the divide get crossed, hopefully by politicians waking up and listening and understanding why American's feel so divided as I believe we do in the UK.

We all , well most rational people, would like to pick a little from this party and a pinch from another wouldn't we.

petra Sun 27-Mar-16 12:32:56

thatbags. Thank you for that. Everything that tens of thousands of people in this country feel. And they still don't see or understand his appeal.
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ffinnochio Sun 27-Mar-16 13:16:19

Very interesting article, which to my mind portrays some parallels with a certain country across the big pond, and underpins much of what I've read about his spectacular, and I think dangerous, rise in the political arena.
Trump's ticket for success is all about TTIP, which he plays well, but the specifics of that do not make for grabbing headlines.
I don't think he will be successful in his wishes, but there is no mistaking the fact that he has tapped into a rich vein of discontent among many Americans.

POGS Sun 27-Mar-16 14:23:24

And in the UK.

Eloethan Tue 29-Mar-16 00:26:22

It seems to me that this is a further example of the "divide and rule" method of distracting people's attention away from the real issues surrounding poverty and inequality.

The emphasis in the article is on the treatment of the white working classes, and yet an article in the Washington Post suggests that the black working classes are at even more of a disadvantage:

"Concentrated poverty is getting worse because poor people — especially poor African Americans — are increasingly left behind. And a number of forces drive this pattern, including systemic discrimination, policies that have historically concentrated public housing and modern zoning laws that keep the poor out of wealthier communities."

The Winegard article says "quite possibly he [Trump] is bigoted". To my mind, the following DT quotes indicate he is most certainly bigoted:

"An extremely credible source has called my office and told me that Barack Obama's birth certificate is a fraud".

"When Mexico sends its people, they are not sending the best ... they're sending people that have lots of problems .... they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists ..."

"You are disgusting" (addressed to a lawyer who had asked the court for a medical break in order that she might pump breast milk).

The article speaks favourably of DT's support for "traditional marriage" and "family values", which is often code for disagreement with gay marriage, family planning, etc.

The article suggests that working class white culture is continually being denigrated, that their jobs are being taken by Mexican workers, and that their living standards are declining. Again, it is setting up one group of disadvantaged people to despise another group of disadvantaged people, rather than recognising that unfettered capitalism thrives on such divisions.

The writers go on to say that all these issues are the result of a "political elite" who promote "political correctness".

Given that DT is a billionaire who inherited a great deal of wealth, some people might be of the view that he is in a pretty privileged position himself and this has enabled him to stand for office - an option that isn't open to the average person in the USA - and certainly not to poor working class white - or black - citizens.

The article quotes DT as saying "No one's looking out for the white guy any more" and goes on to mention his dislike of the Black Lives Matter campaign. All lives matter, he says. Yes, they do, but the Black Lives Matter campaign has arisen because a hugely disproportionate number of black people, including children, have been killed by the police in very questionable circumstances.

It's always much easier to whip up fear and encourage division and hatred when times are hard. That is all Trump is doing, and I think he's ghastly.

thatbags Tue 29-Mar-16 06:43:35

That is one interpretation. I thought the article was saying instead that the current focus on marginalised groups of whatever description is part of what has made the white working class people that the article is talking about feel marginalised too. Further, I would interpret the article as criticising all divide and rule tactics, not encouraging them.

Also, I don't think any of it is an apology for the Trump phenomenon. I think it is an attempt to show why the Trump phenomenon has occurred. I think it does that quite well. One can think that while still deploring the Trump phenomenon, and I think the writer does that. Far from painting Trump in a good light, I think the writer finds what he feels he has to say about the man in order to understand why he is popular quite embarassing. There is definitely, on my reading, a sense of embarassment about the Trump phenomenon.

thatbags Tue 29-Mar-16 06:48:46

There is a good deal of focussing on how the 'elite' (often Oxbridge alumni from rich family backgrounds) in this country are seen by some commenters, seen as not having a clue how most people live and what most people have to struggle with. The description of the elite in the article struck me as the same kind of thing.