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whitewave Tue 05-Apr-16 08:38:06

We can't possibly let this slip by!

Tory on Radio 4 this morning arguing that we can't tackle the "treasure islands" that we have sovereignty over as it will lose people jobs!
I was astounded. So it is fine for the Steel workers to face penury but not those who help the wealthy to hide their money.

DC implicated - won't be long before GO is mentioned.

whitewave Mon 09-May-16 22:32:00

OK will look in the morning too shattered this evening to make any sense, except chat.

durhamjen Tue 10-May-16 23:34:49

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/05/10/secret-transparency-coming-our-way-on-thursday/

The two Johns on here, assuming you remember them.

durhamjen Thu 12-May-16 16:27:29

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/05/12/the-uk-will-fail-the-new-standards-set-at-anti-corruption-summit/

So much for Cameron's much vaunted new rules about corruption.

durhamjen Thu 12-May-16 16:35:57

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/05/12/its-time-for-brittanic-majesty-to-get-a-grip-of-the-bvi/

I'd like to see this happen after the anti-corruption summit.
There are no representatives from the Panama and BVI tax havens at the summit.
Both governors have said they did not receive invitations. So there is a meeting about corruption with no representatives from two coutries we know are corrupt.
All the corrupt governments that Cameron talks about have set up accounts in Panama or the BVI. Why are they not there?
Over a trillion dollars have gone missing from African countries and most of it has ended up in Panama or the BVI.
Apparently the President of Nigeria is going to ask Cameron for the assets in Britain of Nigerian public figures accused of fraud. He thinks it will be better than an apology. I'd quite like to see both.

durhamjen Fri 13-May-16 00:12:57

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/12/super-rich-may-sell-london-homes-under-anti-corruption-rules

There are going to be a lot of big houses in London avaiable to turn into flats or care homes.

durhamjen Fri 13-May-16 19:19:22

www.actionaid.org.uk/blog/campaigns/2016/05/13/what-does-eurovision-have-to-do-with-tackling-tax-avoidance

For anyone who will be watching Eurovision tomorrow.

durhamjen Fri 13-May-16 19:39:36

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/23/uk-tops-global-table-of-damaging-tax-deals-with-developing-countries

The corruption summit did nothing to fix this. Cameron forgot to say that the UK allows networks of tax treaties to make it possible for multinational companies to shift money out of developing countries and into the UK while paying little or no tax. These treaties should be reviewed to make sure they do not tie the hands of poor countries.

JessM Fri 13-May-16 20:29:32

Apologies for not reading the whole thread - i'll have a look soon.

There was a chap on BBCR4Today a couple of days ago who said it in a nutshell.
People who stash money away offshore don't choose to live there because they have minimal infrastructure etc. They live in London and take advantage of all the things the honest tax payers have paid for.
(If anyone can tell me what time the business news is on BBCR4Today I'll locate the episode).

durhamjen Fri 13-May-16 22:50:45

This is interesting.
Cameron was writing a book about anti-corruption to be published before the summit. He asked Clare Short to write a chapter, saying it would "spark debate and action across the world because of her distinguished record."
Then he turned it down, saying it needed to be more forward looking.
I think I know why he turned it down.

opendemocracy.net/clare-short/why-did-david-cameron-reject-this-essay-from-anti-corruption-book

Anniebach Fri 13-May-16 23:17:37

Why would he turn it down , big mystery - not

durhamjen Fri 13-May-16 23:55:59

"Corruption is the cancer at the heart of so many of our problems in the world today. It destroys jobs and holds back growth, costing the world economy billions of pounds every year. It traps the poorest in the most desperate poverty as corrupt governments around the world syphon off funds and prevent hard-working people from getting the revenues and benefits of growth that are rightfully theirs. It steals vital resources from our schools and hospitals as corrupt individuals and companies evade the taxes they owe. It can even undermine our security, as Sarah Chayes argues in her essay, if the perceived corruption of local governments makes people more susceptible to the poisonous ideology of extremists."

The first paragraph in Cameron's foreword.
You've got to admire his brazenness.

durhamjen Fri 13-May-16 23:57:20

www.gov.uk/government/publications/against-corruption-a-collection-of-essays/against-corruption-a-collection-of-essays

These are the ones he thought it expedient to print.

durhamjen Sat 14-May-16 22:22:30

panamapapers.icij.org/stairway_tax_heaven_game

An interesting game to play.

durhamjen Sat 14-May-16 23:51:31

tompride.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/transparency-international-slams-cameron-on-corruption-uk-must-get-its-own-house-in-order/

Anniebach Sun 15-May-16 09:32:29

He will do little if anything, all hot air as usual, the most shallow PM I can recall, suppose Boris Johnson will match him if he gets to be the next one

durhamjen Sun 15-May-16 11:00:39

Can you imagine a western world led by Trump and Boris.
We will be laughing stocks. Nobody will take us seriously any more.

durhamjen Sun 15-May-16 14:02:01

www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethicalcampaigns/taxjusticecampaign/richardmurphycolumn/theukisnowataxhaven.aspx

This is why they tried to deflect from tax havens to corruption.
A bit 'You're more corrupt than we are, so what are you going to do about it?'
What, the UK corrupt? How dare you suggest it.

obieone Sun 15-May-16 16:29:10

Good last post.

durhamjen Fri 20-May-16 17:22:25

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Taxresearch's Richard Murphy and what he says on the EU.

durhamjen Sat 21-May-16 23:29:13

publicintegrity.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=8dc6eceed67f7f012462d0b12&id=cf2759793f&e=98045e9077

More about the Panama papers.

durhamjen Sun 22-May-16 00:02:36

publicintegrity.us4.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8dc6eceed67f7f012462d0b12&id=7db41a51b6&e=98045e9077

publicintegrity.us4.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8dc6eceed67f7f012462d0b12&id=98f93f0589&e=98045e9077

durhamjen Wed 25-May-16 20:23:11

It looks like Trump has been caught in tax fraud.

www.dailysquib.co.uk/business/19046-can-teflon-don-bypass-serious-allegations-multimillion-dollar-tax-fraud.html

durhamjen Wed 01-Jun-16 20:37:15

At least the EU hasn't forgotten about this, even if the UK appears to have done so.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/01/panama-papers-inquiry-expected-call-george-osborne-witness

durhamjen Sun 05-Jun-16 23:22:47

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/05/american-economy-brexit-seems-biggest-problem-west

This could be why Osborne hasn't been seen around much lately.
Sorting his paperwork out.

durhamjen Mon 13-Jun-16 16:59:49

It's still going on. I hope the taxman gets his share of this.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/13/nick-christian-candy-accused-tax-evasion-high-court