Should we be worried about right-wing populism?

petra: "daphnedill Albanians. They caused a lot of trouble (and that's putting it mildly) in Southend some years ago with their 'protection' gangs."

Now I know you're having a laugh!

I've lived in Essex over half my life and there have been plenty of pure white British-born 'protection' gangs over the years in Southend and other places. They've done quite a lucrative business in drug smuggling too and there have been murders in Essex (as I'm sure there are in other parts of the country) linked to drug smuggling and distribution:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-36447981

I remember the Southend skinheads of the 1970s and 1980s. They spoilt a day out I had one Summer.

www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/group-of-skinheads-on-the-attack-during-a-bank-holiday-news-photo/104375785#

There are 1000's of Eastern Europeans in the UK, the vast majority are hard working honest people that cause no problem to anyone. Every nation has it's bad apples that will follow a criminal path. I am sure that the percentage of immigrants in that group are no greater than born and bred Brits.

Someone mentioned immigrants defecating and urinating on monuments, have they been to our high streets when the clubs turn out ?

Careful DJ, that was you agreeing with me then, time for you to lie down.

In which case why single out Albanians, as GandTea said?

GandTea I'm fully aware of what the Kray twins did: my father went to Ronnie Krays wedding.

Petra, singling out Albanians is heading into racist territory. I seem to remember some non-immigrants being involved it protectionist activities, I think there were called the Kray Brothers.

daphnedill Albanians. They caused a lot of trouble (and that's putting it mildly) in Southend some years ago with their 'protection' gangs.

Immigrants are immigrants just as indigenous people are just that.
There is no special EU immigrant group where everybody in it needs benefits. In fact that is just what Cameron's special deal has got rid of. He has a veto if there are too many immigrants coming in, so anyone who does not want to be swamped by immigrants had better vote to stay in the EU.
Of course, you will not do that because you do like putting all immigrants into categories, of people who should not want a better or different life, or to train and be educated in this country, then work here, because that does not fit your ideology.

dd, I am not going to play games.If you dont know by now, you never will know why the situation now is different.

Petra this is a thread about right-wing populism isn't it?

No, I don't know. Please explain.

dd, I dont know even where to start with your post.

The situation of the immigrants at present bears no resmblance to other sorts of immigration, as well you know.

And do read petra.s post.

@petra

So which race don't they like?

@obieone

Many immigrants to the UK DO bounce into well paid jobs and don't require additional benefits. Many of them are filling vacancies which can't be filled by people already living here. Others CREATE jobs which hadn't been created. Immigrants can't all be grouped together, because they are all different. They contribute to a nation's wealth.

Durhamjen's post isn't personal, because there are many people who are already in the situation she's writing about.

This is classic A level geography stuff about the different stages countries reach in terms of the workforce they need.

Gracesgran forgive me if I'm wrong, but i can't recall anyone on here who said they are "anti immigration" I think most of us who comment are unhappy with the amount of immigration. I grew up in south London ( Woolwich&Greenwich) I lived very happily with mostly West Indians, Asians and Chinese. I moved to Southend, another very diverse population. But now it's the shear numbers of immigrants that many people don't like.
I was in one of our local Asian shops yesterday and they had a vote leave poster!!
So I asked why? They said the same as many do: too many Eastern Europeans.
And it's not all Eastern Europeans, There is one particular race that the really don't like, and it's not Polish people.

They dont just bounce into paid jobs[that require no additional benefits], and the population here dont want the jobs, so they are just filling a vacancy?

Gg please explain better your post of 10.13am

dj, your post is so personal to you, that I shall make no comment.

People do realise I suppose that the many migrants coming in require immediate support and many for medium term too?

I'm sorry obieone but that makes no sense to me either. I am happy to reply if you could explain a little more.

Send my EU migrants back where they came from and their families would go with them. That would leave me on my own needing much more social care and would cost more.
They would not be paying tax and NI here either to support me and others in their old age.

What do you mean obieone?

Do you think that countries that are smaller die, and those that are bigger live?

Would you rather live in a dying country Obieone? It really does sound like it.

I think it's logical and you think it's logical whitewave but others would rather not think about it at all and just stick, sadly, with being frightened. I do honestly believe some are genuinely frightened but a lot of fear goes away when knowledge is available.

obieone then you misunderstand the point of markets.

There is a world of difference between possibly needing a few, to uncontrolled and out of control.