Should we be worried about right-wing populism?

I cant help thinking that if immigration numbers are controlled once more, most of the other problems will ebb away.
Britain will be calmer once more.

I was obviously following on from thatbags.

Well said.

Looking at the populist nationalist right wing Nick Cohen has a good article in the Observer.

I paraphrase
"The true scorn of the right is for the people it presumes to represent. In the name of defending Britain,Brexit will destroy Britain, if Scotland then leaves.
In the name of defending Britain, Johnson, Farage, and Gove will break the unity of (Europe) and put a wolffish grin on the face of Vladimir Putin.
In the name of defending Britain, Brexit will start a rolling economic, constitutional, and diplomatic crises, which its authors do not have the smallest idea how to resolve.

The air is foul now. But imagine how much fouler it will become as the nationalist right invents ever more fanatical conspiracy theories to explain away the troubles it has brought upon us all.

If you love your country, or even if you think it isn't a bad place, do not hand it to sly men who betray the best of the (British), whilst seeking to incite the worst in us.

Well said, granny2016.

daphnedil.....I have ONE identity only,and have never been affiliated to one party.
I keep a very open mind on politics and vote for the party which I feel will deliver the best outcome at the time.
I felt elated when Tony Blair was elected,and elated again when he was kicked out.
I find do find unquestioning devotion to one party ,blinkered.
My family and friends are entirely split on the EU referendum,but we are able to discuss without any animosity,which is not the case with some on this site.

Your suggestion that I could be linked in any way to Britain First,is simply not worth a response.

Thank you niggly.

I tend only to look at the threads when the username of a tolerant poster appears on Active. Sometimes I just give up because it's so difficult to actually discuss ideas. Name-calling culture seems to be the constant order of the day with some.

Brilliant.

No I don't know who you are obieone
But you will be pleased to know that I will no longer irritate you with my replies.

Well said, niggly. Even to one who is pretty left-wing the intolerance of some posts on GN politics threads seems is really OTT.

People on the far left and the far right have one thing in common, a complete intolerance of any other point of view except their own. Much better for people to feel able to air their views whatever they may be, and for others to use persuasion not vitriol to put an opposing view across, that way you'd have a genuine exchange of opinions. You only have to say you admire the Queen to provoke howls of rage and to be accused of being at best totally insensitive at worse positively wicked! Not an attitude to provoke serious discussion. Only left wing agenda is welcome on these particular threads, so what's the point of discussing anything if only people that agree can feel comfortable joining in? Bit like talking to yourself really, with the addition of a congratulatory pat on the back from other like-minded (everyone!) posters.

LOL we have had cries of "extreme left wingers!" on GN before. It always makes me chuckle because I have a very close acquaintance who has been a Trotskyist for 50 years. Those on the far left believe in revolution.
Personally I am pro-business having worked in the private sector as well as the public sector. I am not motivated to overthrow capitalism - which is the motivation of people on the far/hard left. I believe we need a healthy and ethical private sector to raise the revenue we need to have really good, free health, education and social care. I think the EU helps to ensure that most businesses in the UK have to behave in an ethical manner, treating their staff and customers with respect and fairness. The EU also restrains them from polluting air and water with impunity. While liberal forces hold sway in the EU it is a powerful way of controlling the excesses of capitalism.
There are people I hear of who are going to vote Leave because they think the EU is an evil bastion of capitalism. Their dream is that if we leave the EU it will fall apart and that European capitalism will come to an end to be replaced by a system more to their liking. But none of these on GN I think.

Everyone knows who I am whitewave. And you do too.

And no, you are not explaining.

But others understand so no point in me posting further about the matters.

Your non explanations, and non faux understanding do not trick many.
You have done it too often.

What are you talking about obieone

I can back up my argument and you know very well that I can.

The poster needs no explaining it is plain as the eyes on your face what the agenda is.

We explain things word for word and then you come back asking the same question as if everything we've said is not there. You are so similar to another poster called soon and she drove us mad.

My post of sat 21.59pm needs relooking at.

And an explanation of the Farage poster would be useful too, though no-one seems able to do that, which begs a lot of questions.
You were the one that brought it up whitewave, but you cant really back it up.

I also have to say, that to do that sort of thing, you and others, and not be able to back it up, ups the tone unnecessarily.

obioene Of course everyone who is going to vote out isnt a fascist that is plain silly, we aren't saying that.

what we are saying is that a lot of the rhetoric from the Brexit camp is fascist in tone if not in actuality.
This is a thread about the alarming trend throughout the world of right wing populism. We are trying to counter the arguments that the fascists focus on in this country and that is immigration.

I have already explained to you about how these nationalist groups behave. I assume you agreed as you didn't come back with an alternative argument.

daphnedill and Tegan, I am not talking about either of you.

Tegan, though I do think if you are going to label something fascist, you should be able to explain and say why.

They show their true colours.
It is only because I havent been on gransnet so long as most, that it has taken me until the past couple of weeks to realise that even those I thought were milder left-wing, are the same or worse than others.
The milder ones are actually sublter and more manipulative.

The trouble with these political threads is that although certain people consider themselves to be democrats, in actual fact they are anything but as the moment anybody dares to suggest a different point of view on any subject that person is immediately subjected to at best ridicule at worse personal insult. To suggest that you might vote leave in the referendum is to be virtually labelled as a fascist! Democracy?! I don't think so!! The result? most people of differing opinions don't post any most! So you are left with preaching to the converted, and stifling any desent by unpleasantness. Nothing very democratic about that!

I have no intention of removing any blinkers (or even my specs) and I find it difficult to understand Klingon at the best of times, so maybe you'd care to elucidate.

By the way, are you the same person with multiple IDs and are you a signed up member of Britain First?

Daphnedill.

You ask for evidence from Firecracker123 as to bigoted lefties.
It is easy to miss the obvious when when wearing blinkers.

Why would anyone need to persuade you, obieone? Haven't you already sent off your postal vote?

@Firecracker123

Any evidence?

Many immigrants do change names - often the second or third generation. It's the 'View from the Bridge' (Arthur Miller) syndrome. Just as many join groups like UKIP or the National Front in France.