EU - I'm in a quandary

PROFIT - Why would anyone engage in any business if there were no profit in it? For the fun of doing it? For philanthropy? Before you can have fun playing at business or being philanthropic, you yourself need to be fed, clothed, housed and have a surplus to give away. If you try it without these essentials, you will rapidly starve and your business will then fail.

The Big Issue sellers buy their magazines and sell them for more than they paid. The corner shop buys in bulk and sells individual items. The baker buys ingredients, bakes them and sells bread. And so it goes, with some businesses becoming so successful that they expand and make more money for those running them. That it capitalism. If you don't want anything to do with capitalism in any form, you need to emigrate to the moon.

There is nothing to be ashamed of in profit. Without it, we would all be subsistence farmers, producing enough for our family and no more. Even then, some of us would have far too many potatoes, and swap them with a neighbour for a chunk of the pig he has just killed. If the pork is more valuable to us than the spuds, have we then made a profit? Tut, tut! But maybe the pig-owner thought he needed the potatoes more than those chops?

In a modern nation, our extra profit is pooled and used to run communal things (police, education, medical care, help for those who need it) You can complain that some people are not contributing enough to that pool, but if you buy anything and don't grow or make it yourself, you can't complain about profits.

Britain works for Britains interest. What do you think the government has been doing!
The EU works in the single markets interest - who is the EU, - Britain amongst others.

Vote remain, and head towards a car crash.

I actually think vote remain will lead to war.

I dont write that lightly, and have thought about writing it.

The immigration policy of the EU has destabilised Europe. They have realised too late, or else, that was the intention of some all along.

The politicians over here try to work for Britain's best interest, even if we dont agree with them.

The EU does not work for Britain's best interest.

I do find it odd, that left wing posters can appear not to even like Jeremy Corbyn's politics. Well at least choose the EU politicians rather than his politics.

Dont forget, if we vote to remain, it is not just the next 2 or 3 years of British politics that is being sidelined. Decades.

Vote leave

PUT on a BLINDFOLD

Where are the EU going Elegran? Do you know? They are ready, are they not, to tell us tomorrow if the vote is to remain.

Why are they afraid of telling us today?

CONTROL of a vehicle without a detailed navigation plan of where you are going and the ability to steer it through tricky situations is an accident going somewhere to happen. Knowledge of the highway code is essential.

I have not seen any detailed plan for all this control that has become the battle cry of the leavers.

WHO will be in control? Those who can grab the steering wheel with most force? The most devious shapeshifters after the main chance? The rabble led by the red-top press shouting slogans of hate against all other drivers?

WHAT ROUTE are they planning to take? Don't just tell me the final destination (Utopia) tell me the road turnings, the estimated distance, the steep hills to toil up, the coasting gaily down the other side, the congestion points where we will have to crawl through heavy traffic at 5 miles an hour using up fuel and breathing in fumes, the places where there could be lengthy diversions to delay us and sap our courage, the locations of garages for repairs and refuelling, the rest rooms and refreshment stops.

Without knowing these things, we might as well parachute out of a plane over uncharted shark-infested waters because we don't like our fellow-passengers, or we think the cabin staff are making too many decisions about our meals and how we stow our hand luggage.

Welshwife, we have been waiting for changes from the EU for approx 43 years.
High time Britain has chance to experience not being in the EU.

Do you like Cameron and Osborne now?

I find it extraordinary how people believe the likes of Farage and Boris who really have no idea what will be the likely scenario if we do vote to leave but totally decry the words of neutral institutions and members of foreign Govts as well as our own. Many European politicians have agreed that changes need to be made within the EU - if we vote to remain then the UK will have a say in these changes and many other countries are of the same sort of mind as UK about the reforms etc. I would rather believe experts etc than those who can only shout 'Take back control' when we have never really lost control and also blame everything on hard working migrants.

Quite obieone

If I was sitting over there, I would want Britian to remain too.
Partly for the money we pay in. And partly because I would feel that bit safer with Britain in it, to shield them from the worst excesses of the EU, and partly to shield from what they have in mind.

If I were them, I would be quite scared.

The words are quite hateful of leaders in Britain.

Surprised how much is on social media from our European compatriots urging us to REMAIN.

If a person thinks all are demamgogues, that includes the Labour and all other political party in Britain. It is really a I think nothing of Britain speech. Nothing at all.
I always suspected that that is what some people think of Britain[no idea if the writer lives in Britain or even in Europe] and that is why they think the EU is better.

Or it could actually be a power grab speech for the EU.

They are out to grab more and more power.

We are not just voting today for the EU of today, we are voting for what they, note they, not us, have in mind for the EU in years to come.

TAKE BACK CONTROL

Sorry! Knee jerk reaction. Apologies all around.

What's going on? No need to be so unpleasant girls!!

Wow anya not quite awake yet? Hope you are too embarrassed when you come too.

No problem...I'm quite happy with the byline.

Was there any need to be so rude, Anya? It's early and maybe paolo hasn't quite woken up.

More of the same? Well, yes, it is more of the same from LEAVE - slogans with no substance. 121 mentions of 'take back control', which is brainwashing. The UK is already in control, but if it's repeated often enough, people will believe we're not.

Sorry! 5 a.m. here and I'm just being insomniac as usual and skimming through stuff!

Read them paola ....just more of the same. Pity you didn't read them well enough note the 'byline'

They're not my comments, paolo, but I agree with them 100%. I wish I were so eloquent. The link is at the bottom of the post.

Absolutely brilliant comments, daphnedill! Well-argued and well laid out. I wish all the Brexiters and undecideds could read them.

0.5% of the UK population- the tiniest amount represents the EU worker in this country.

The EU is NOT a sovereign state however much the nationalist would have you believe.
UK is sovereign in ALL its affairs, except those affairs relating to the single market.