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British teachers telling children to consider themselves European

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obieone Sun 05-Jun-16 08:13:22

NfkDumpling Sun 05-Jun-16 07:20:16
I'm an Out for all the reasons given already but yesterday a friend who'd been undecided called round. She said she's now come down for Out for a very simple reason. She's Scottish. Proud to be Scottish but has over the years come to now describe herself as British as required. She heard on the radio that teachers are no longer telling children to consider themselves British but as European. That was the final straw for her. Simple. The loss of identity and nationality.
I think it's becoming so all over Europe. The taking away of identity and lumping us all together

This is what NFKDumpling wrote on another thread.

I have asked NFK's permission to do this thread.

kathyd Tue 07-Jun-16 06:56:18

Varian - I'm already on my way back. As soon as my house sale is finalised I will jump into my car and it will fly back on wings. I can't wait. Living in France is no dream, believe me - and I have given it a chance as I've been here for 11 years.

obieone Tue 07-Jun-16 06:44:56

You yourself are fond of saying that you live in Germany.

obieone Tue 07-Jun-16 06:43:03

We call them Moroccans on Nigerians or whatever. We try not to lump them together as Africans anymore as that is rude, and somewhat disrespectful.
That is what we do on gransnet, and that is what I have taught my children.

MargaretX Mon 06-Jun-16 22:21:24

Think of all those millions in Africa. We call them Africans yet they come a from many different countries. Just ike they are African we are European and our children and grandchidren as well.

Your roots are your roots no one can take them away. How could you do it. Its on your birth certificate. Its so silly that it makes the LEAVE campaign ridiculous.

Lisalou Mon 06-Jun-16 21:33:41

I have now read the whole thread and would like to rephrase the question. All those who see themselves as English/Welsh or whatever but not Europeans, what continent do they feel their nation belongs to? It has to be one of them....

Lisalou Mon 06-Jun-16 21:10:23

I admit right now that I have not read all the posts so this may well have been brought up, but if not european, what continent does the OP belong to?

daphnedill Mon 06-Jun-16 20:46:56

They certainly are, elena.

It's very worthy aim to explain to school pupils about the geography of Europe and, indeed, the EU. It seems that there quite a few adults who would benefit from a dummies' course. There's one starting on Future Learn on 13th June, which is a bit late, but might be worth doing.

www.futurelearn.com/courses/eu-referendum

elena Mon 06-Jun-16 20:41:53

I don't believe teachers have been told to tell pupils they are not British.

They should indeed be explaining to them they are Europeans, because geographically, this is correct.

Nothing about the EU prevents anyone being British, English, Scottish, Welsh, Geordie, scouse, Yorkshire....whatever.

How on earth is it possible to 'take away someone's roots' ???

Some of the statements on this thread are bizarre.

granjura Mon 06-Jun-16 20:35:32

As long as people really know where they roots really are... which is often not really where they thought they were.

Did you watch the DNA video?

daphnedill Mon 06-Jun-16 20:34:55

Nobody's taking away their roots. You're being hysterical.

obieone Mon 06-Jun-16 20:31:42

You dont take away peoples' roots.

MargaretX Mon 06-Jun-16 20:10:19

I can't believe that the children have been harmed by the suggestion they could consider themselves as Europeans. Some in the class are probably 100% Europeans- Europeans are not an inferior species!

I can imagine a child would be more harmed to have such a narrow minded mother. If that is the only complaint they have in a modern school these days, then they will come to no harm.

Lilyflower Mon 06-Jun-16 18:29:13

Teachers should not be bullied into purveying this politically correct nonsense but they are all the time. I am so glad I have retired from teaching.

On another point, isn't it amusing that Ms Sturgeon is on the Remain side. Ironic, what!

Anniebach Mon 06-Jun-16 17:04:29

If there are benefits for remaining in the EU why would we suffer by staying in?

If we vote out we can but hope France will still patrol the channel as we only have one boat there

granjura Mon 06-Jun-16 16:30:51

Same question- if you live in France you will still be governed by said dictatorship (your words not mine). I am surprised you want to stay there if it is that bad, really.

varian Mon 06-Jun-16 16:12:10

kathyd,are you intending to return to the UK if the Leave side wins or are you going to stay in France, enjoying all the benefits of remaining in the EU, while those of us who actually live here have to suffer the consequences of your vote?

daphnedill Mon 06-Jun-16 15:04:08

Thanks for the info. As the op was about a radio phone-in via a friend, it's impossible to know what was actually said to the children in question. Britain's role in Europe and in the world is part of the National Curriculum and has been for many years. I feel it's a positive thing that school children are more aware of the world around them.

trisher Mon 06-Jun-16 14:47:24

daphnedill it may be to do with Europe Day, or could be to do with the "European Capital Of Culture" There is often stuff going around schools about these things

kathyd Mon 06-Jun-16 14:31:21

I've voted out because I have no desire to be ruled by an unelected dictatorship. I have read many articles by MEPs highlighting the inner workings and shenanigans, some amounting to out and out corruption, of that ruling class.
I live in France and the under-the-table corruption, nepotism and favouritism on all levels is beyond belief.
I'm not saying that the same doesn't happen in the UK as well but not to the same extent.

obieone Mon 06-Jun-16 13:02:35

Anniebach, but for you it is anything but that simple. Else all things welsh wouldnt be appearing over and over and over from you.

daphnedill Mon 06-Jun-16 12:18:22

My goodness! So a post about being European leads to ranting about the EU. It just goes to show how toxic Europe is to some people. Xenophobia lives!

varian Mon 06-Jun-16 11:53:58

Firecracker - at the last election most people voted for parties who did not want this referendum. Unfortunately the undemocratic first past the post system resulted in a Tory government. At least we have PR in elections for our MEP - rather more democratic.

And no, I do not have family on the "EU gravy train", as you call it. But I do have family whose future may be irrevocably damaged by this divisive referendum - as we all do.

Lupatria Mon 06-Jun-16 11:28:52

i'm english - i was born in england and live in england and, presumably when the time comes, i'll die in england.
i sometimes have to tick british on a form but i'm not given any choice.
and i'm absolutely fed up to the back teeth with everything to do with the referendum - the IN people claim one thing and the OUT people another - for goodness sake, no country has left the eu before so how on earth can we know what's going to happen.
for my part, i've already sent off my postal vote - and i've voted OUT - i voted LEAVE at the last referendum and never wanted to be a part of europe in the first place.

Anniebach Mon 06-Jun-16 11:20:41

Obieone, I am female, was born female, do not cling to being female , I am female

I was born in Wales of Welsh parents , I do not cling to being Welsh, I am Welsh , it's that simple

Anniebach Mon 06-Jun-16 11:16:53

Obieone, no more than you separate English, even my name is Welsh ? How kind of you to say I am entitled to it. Puzzled that Annie is considered a Welsh name though

I asked how a British person could lose being British, do explain please