Abdication?

Did I put this on the wrong thread? Getting now, the two threads seem to be intertwining.
Ah well, for good measure, here it is again:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_election

Just to be helpful, a list of countries with elected presidents.
I expect everyone living in those countries has a high standard of living, there is no homelessness, no poverty and no food banks.

The President is great value for money, costs very little and everyone is as happy as can be.

I could be wrong, of course.

Any mental decline and I expect there would be a Recency, a new act of parliament? or would 1811 do with a few modifications. How could she abdicate if she's not the full shilling? If she couldn't make a rational decision then how could she make this one?

many of them are paid for from the public purse , the civil list was reduced and the queens money raised so she could give money to those who would one time been on the civil list, plus the duchy of Cornwall plus protection of property and bodyguards

She has all her wits about her so should not abdicate.
If there was any hint that a monarch had some mental decline then perhaps it should be a consideration, but she hasn't.

Depends if you have stated at 'any time' you are a Republican or eluded to a desire to not have a monarchy. The question was asking about the nuances surrounding an abdication by the Queen.

There is something in life called 'duty'
Many people do not understand the true meaning of that word.

Very good post POGS

They are being pared back Gettingonabit. Just because quite a lot were on the balcony and appearing last weekend does not mean they are paid for out of the public purse.

I do think President Blair, President Kinnock, President Johnson or whoever, plus their First Ladies, would cost us even more in the long run.
I can't imagine any of them wanting to live in a draughty, leaking Palace or castle. There would have to be a multi-billion £ refit, or a new palace built somewhere to suit.

widgeon, I'm afraid that's probably what we would get, mind you I don't think you can call President Hollande a dictator, so maybe something modelled on France? for those wanting a republic.

Gettingonabit, exactly what I have been banging on about, why does it have to be a choice between a dictator or a monarch who is living a lifestyle of an era long gone

Why should we get rid? We could pare them back.

So long as we don't get the equivalent of King Tony/ Queen Cherie/ King David or any other of them..
Still get Lord Major and Lord Brown sticking their oars in NOW when they were weighed in the balance and found wanting years ago

Put it a different way then, which one does anyone admire that we could look at and perhaps think, that's an excellent system, we could model ourselves on that when we get rid of the monarchy.

Why should we emulate another Republic?

Excellent post POGS. She made a solemn promise all those years ago and that's the way it'll stay. As no one has come up with an example of an approved republic that we could emulate, I can only suppose that none exists, so long live the Queen!!!

There is something in life called 'duty'.

The Queen may or may not abdicate, nobody will know the answer to that question other than her good self if and when that decision were ever made.

She could at some time be 'removed' as Head of State as is the preferred option of the Republicans.

The Queen to me understands what 'duty' means, she feels a sense of 'duty ' to abide by her promise to the nation , do what she believes to be the best for the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth.

Duty is not a natural instinct for all of us. A sense of 'duty' is what makes our armed forces personnel tick for example. 'Loyalty' is another instinct that does not come naturally to some people but the two are inextricably linked.

Duty and Loyalty in the manner to which I am referring to is not the same as the duty and loyalty we ALL would say we give to our friends and family for example. I mean the duty and loyalty that a percentage of people can give to 'serve others' in which ever form it takes.

The Queen has an understanding of both duty and loyalty in spades and I think it would take a hell of a lot of soul searching , if ever, she chose to abdicate.

Exactly!! Parliament appointed the Regent not the king, under the Regency Act of 1811, after it became obvious that George 111 would not recover from this bout of madness. It had been discussed back in 1788, but the King recovered from that episode of illness, so in the end it wasn't deemed necessary. The Queen has no need of a Regent as she can still make rational decisions sign official papers etc so Parliament has no need to appoint one!

She doesn't need to appoint a regent. There's nothing wrong with her mental health and any physically arduous commitments can be undertaken by the younger members of her family who represent her.

George 111 appointed a regent, though. No sign of Queenie doing that. Perhaps she should.

Absent....It is rather different to abdicate for your American lady friend,than the actual heir to the throne!

absent is right. George 111 remained king until his death in 1820 despite being mad, blind (poor man) and incarcerated at Windsor, no question of abdication, and for certain the Queen will not be the first monarch to change that tradition. It's a job for life, always has been and not about to alter any time soon.

Unlike the Netherlands (and some other countries), there is no tradition of abdication in the British monarchy – it's always been regarded as a job for life. (Of course, some of those royal lives were cut short by people who then became monarchs themselves.)

HM the Q grew up in he shadow of her uncle's abdication and the subsequent embarrassment of what to do with him once he had ceased to be king. HM the Q Mother blamed the strain of enforced and unexpected kingship for George VI's death, at least partially – the association between smoking and cancer was not widely known in the early 1950s. She never forgave the Duchess of Windsor whom she blamed for causing the whole schemozzle. (Ironic in the light of recent royal marital history.)

I should think she must be exhausted after such an action packed weekend. My grandson coming for one day poops both of us!! mind you he is only nine, and pretty lively! luckily his two older sisters are a lot quieter!

They were all out on parade again today at the annual Garter Ceremony in Windsor.

The Queen must be looking forward to finally putting her feet up.

Mind you, the way I feel at the moment ( tired) another 5 years may suit me too.?

Alea ? I wonder if the Palace is bugged?

I think the word abdicate is anathema to her; she sees it as her lifelong duty and would never want to be associated with doing what her uncle did all those years ago, which put her in line for the throne.