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The one indisputable FACT in this referendum debate

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Anya Tue 14-Jun-16 11:18:34

Like many of us, I prefer to deal in facts, not surmise, assumptions, or what might be, or might not happen. The truth is that neither side have a clear idea of what leaving or remaining in the EU might entail, except for one clear fact.

This is, that if we remain, we will continue to have no control over numbers of immigrants from the EU, entering the country.

We all agree that immigration is a Good Thing, but uncontrollable immigration is another issue completely.

practical Thu 16-Jun-16 10:05:24

SWITZERLAND has withdrawn its application to join the European Union just a week before Britain votes on its own EU membership.The vote came from the Government's lower house as the Swiss foreign minister Didier Burkhalter told the bloc to "consider the application as withdrawn". Mr Burkhalter said the motion is "unnecessary" because Switzerland does not intend to join and should be considered an "independent sovereign nation".

granjura Thu 16-Jun-16 10:04:18

WW, 1000s of jobs are being planned to move to Frankfurt exchange as the City will go down the pan if leave. Actually, it may be too late for this move across to Frankfurt to be stopped- as the ball has started rolling hard already in that direction.

Hold on to your knicker elastic!

granjura Thu 16-Jun-16 10:00:00

I'm afraid the distribution of who is voting for 'leave', just as those who are voting for Farage or Trump- are facts too, that can't be by-passed however much one would want to. Sorry- but this is a FACT too.

whitewave Thu 16-Jun-16 09:59:05

Reported in the business section this morning - the finance sector is beginning to feel the panic, as it has most to lose from a Brexit, as the UK finance sector will lose a lot of its clout. Shares are beginning to fall in value.

jevive73 Thu 16-Jun-16 09:58:30

Well for certain for 2 years while leaving we would have a big rush of immigrants from Europe. Secondly, it is likely France would remove our border controls on their soil, so open door for asylum seekers currently held at places like Calais. Another fact is that migrants from places like Asia and Africa do not go home as a rule,but sttle here,whilst many of the young migrants from Europe do go home. Young European migrants don't tend to bring their families with them. This year the net migration was huge, and half was from outside Europe. If the work young Europeans do has a need for labour, often temporary stuff like picking fruit, more people from outside Europe will be able to get in. Incidentally,we also have a points based system which allowed the 300 thousand non European immigrants.

Lazigirl Thu 16-Jun-16 09:53:51

Ceesnan A recent YouGov poll had a breakdown of EU voters and it showed that 7 out of 10 university graduates are voting Remain. Perhaps that's where it came from? This was reported in Telegraph.

granjura Thu 16-Jun-16 09:50:39

To go back to the title- perhaps we can all agree that the one indisputable FACT - is that PANIC would ensue a leave vote- with totally unpredictable consequences that would rock the country.

granjura Thu 16-Jun-16 09:40:12

you are right roses- who knows - but panic, as you say, is a given. Panic in the financial markets and exchange rates, panic in the massive foreign businesses in the UK (car manufacturing, financial institutions and what little manufacturing is left) - and who knows what the panic will lead to.

Defenestration may well be the least of your worries!

Ceesnan Thu 16-Jun-16 09:37:53

My neighbour has just told me that a Labour MP (she couldn't remember the name) has said that it is the poorly educated people who will vote to leave. Somehow I don't think he has done the Remainers any favours with that sort of statement grin

Gononsuch Thu 16-Jun-16 09:35:59

Have you thought, that if we come out then the royals are top dog but if we stay in then the eu are top dog, I know what I'm doing !!!smile

whitewave Thu 16-Jun-16 09:00:11

It can't rose it is legally binding to which we willingly signed up

whitewave Thu 16-Jun-16 08:58:54

Thinking about getting out the Labour vote. It seems to me that if you are poor then nothing ever happens to improve your grotty existence, so you might as well vote out in order to give the Tory PM a kicking as he has been implicit in so much of what you have had to put up with since 2010.
Depressing.

rosesarered Thu 16-Jun-16 08:48:13

Article 50 may go out of the window ( defenestration grin) if we vote to leave there may be panic in Brussels, and who knows what may happen.

whitewave Thu 16-Jun-16 08:44:17

Have you read article 50 rose ? you may then need to revise your statement.

rosesarered Thu 16-Jun-16 08:20:12

If the country votes to leave, what's the betting that Brussels will suddenly offer us a good deal? Quite likely IMHO.

rosesarered Thu 16-Jun-16 08:18:33

grinJalima

durhamjen Thu 16-Jun-16 00:12:07

ukandeu.ac.uk/the-perils-of-perception-and-the-eu/

This shows how mistaken some of our views on the EU are.

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 23:54:50

infacts.org/elect-government-without-manifesto/

Jalima Wed 15-Jun-16 23:31:53

Why should they not give their views any more than anyone on here?
But they like to tell everyone!!! Very loudly and forcefully and demean anyone who has a different point of view. They think they are right because they think they are more important than the ordinary person.

Maybe you are just jealous because the leave campaign can't get enough performers for their pop festival
For the umpteenth time, I am not a Brexiteer!!!
pop festival, what pop festival confused

Just because I can't stand these slebs with their over-inflated egos doesn't mean to say that I want to come out of the EU!

Why should they not give their views any more than anyone on here?
Oh, yes, I see what you mean, there is a similarity between them and some posters

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 23:23:50

Comedians and popstars have votes. Why should they not give their views any more than anyone on here?

Maybe you are just jealous because the leave campaign can't get enough performers for their pop festival, for the third time. BpopLive has been shut down. Leave.EU say it was by the spiteful Electoral Commission, but it was because a number of artists dropped out after finding out what it was for.

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 23:19:24

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/leave-now-harrogate-council-slaps-a-parking-ticket-on-boris-brexit-bus-1-7928520

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 23:06:20

theconversation.com/selling-up-settling-down-how-a-turkish-neighbourhood-adapted-to-its-syrian-refugees-60738

Lots of Syrians want to stay in Turkey. They do not want to come here.

Jalima Wed 15-Jun-16 22:58:35

I wish Bob Geldorf [sp]had mentioned this today
Just noticed that Eddie Izzard is going round university campuses trying to drum up votes for remain
I wish these comedians and pop stars would just shut up

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 22:18:11

Brilliant. The Brexit bus got a parking ticket in Harrogate.

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 22:02:50

But he's going to be made a lord by Boris when he becomes PM.

Just noticed that Eddie Izzard is going round university campuses trying to drum up votes for remain. Good idea.