The one indisputable FACT in this referendum debate

Is Thersa May still alive?

Have you seen her trooping around with Johnson? Talk about doe-eyed!

To be honest I think she is batting far above her weight. She will definitely be in the forefront if a vote of no confidence is pushed.

WW and Gill I have to agree with you about Pritti Patel. She is an awful person and certainly extremely right wing. She has a taste of possible power - heaven help us. I just hope she never, ever gets it. I wonder if we should expect a coup with all these alternative government announcements.

Interesting post Gill. I usually think it is fear that makes people believe the lies newspapers tell, but this is someone making huge, and not doubt wrong, assumptions - why would they do that?

Of course the newspapers cannot be accused of lying as they will put it as a question. "Is this the laziest man in Britain?" of the will only put half the facts.

It is a very sad world we live in sometimes.

I've asked the leavers what they think the UK will look like in a couple of years if we do indeed leave. No one seems to know.

trisher you are so right about a down-turn meaning fewer migrants. We actually need to prepare for difficulties as the economies pick up in the countries where most of our sources of willing labour are coming from rather than expect an endless supply for ever and ever.

As you say (my mother would too) very much cutting of our noses to spite our faces.

There are out and out lies appearing on this thread. The simplest thing is to report these lies obieone. The mods are outside the argument and can take a more even-handed view than someone making such an accusation. Accusing someone of lying without saying what or whom does not seem right to me and perhaps that comment should be reported.

I did not "accuse Anya of making a personal attack" nor did I for one moment "admit" any such thing as you suggest. Nor do I believe I was over-reacting. I like to just get on with the discussion Ceesnan some people have other aims - it appears you feel it more important to take me to task than join in the thread.

Leave me with none of this nonsense to reply to and I will stop doing so.

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I read somewhere that 25% of people who but exercise videos made by selebrities, thnik that by just doing to video, they will lose the same amount of weight as the celebrity.

So yes, some people will believe the NHS ad[I haven't seen it, and dont know who made it, but it can't be the government?]

GillT57, you could be right, or the neighbour right, or something else.

I watched the add showing NHS in and out of EU, it would be laughable but there are people out there who will believe this rubbish

Gracesgran I think you are really over reacting to accuse Anya of making a personal attack, unless, of course, you were referring to something on another thread, and I've missed it completely? Can't see anything on here that hasn't been matched, if not bettered by yourself IMO. From your presence on the political threads you must surely be aware that "Play nicely" sometimes goes out of the window, and by your own admission you can give as good as you get.

WW you have summed it up perfectly.

But Obieone, the point was that this person ( and many others) believed that their Eastern European neighbours had been given the car along with the house. It didnt dawn on her that they had likely all clubbed together and bought one car between them to improve their job prospects. People will believe what they want to believe, and their opinions are often helped along by irresponsible and inaccurate reporting by some newspapers. Whitewave I heard yesterdays interview on Radio 4 with Pritti Patel and she was well and truly found out as a fantasist; i loved it when she was spouting on about 'they' would promise to spend £100m on the NHS, the interviewer asked her on whose authority? PP is neither Dept of Health or Treasury and has no authority whatsoever to make these promises. I am getting sick of the lies on both sides.

obieone; it isn't a personal attack if you put up the lie and then go on to explain why it is a lie. I'm sure HQ would agree with that.

See FTSE is beginning its panic over Brexit, as is to a lesser extent the ROW.

Hope the Brexit lot have a good plan!

Not terribly evident as yet. Patel seems to say nothing but " let's be clear about this " and then goes on to be anything but. Farage is busy getting the migrants out, but doesn't seem worried about anything else. Johnson is scheming to become leader but doesn't have the first clue about anything whatsoever. Gove is squirrelling away at his latest project-which in this case is getting rid of human rights. -whose rights are they?.Whittingdale is gunning for Auntie - that's the Murdoch connection sorted
IDS is IDS and everything he touches turns to dust.
The rest are just background noise.
None of them have a plan.

You've said enough (too much).

But Tegan and dd I was not meaning you. I am not going to say anything more.

If I name names, that would be a personal attack, so it is not doable.

But GillT57. There are often stories like that in the press. Which I presume turn out to be true. Often the people in the story confirm how much they receive. Up to them how they choose to spend the money that they are given.
But yes, often a neighbour does not know all the details of another.

I have had a candidate here for an interview who told me, in all honesty that 'The Social' gave her Romanian neighbours a car as well as a house. These myths do abound and it worries me that votes which will affect the future of my children are being made based on this type of nonsense and lies. Did anyone see that disgusting propaganda on BBC last night put out by the Vote Leave cabal? An old lady choking on her food and the two alternative episodes at A and E. One showed her treatment in the EU ( waiting room packed full of suspiciously foreign looking patients, old lady waiting hours) The other screen showed us out of the EU ( old lady greeted warmly by reassuringly white doctor and treated immediately). Disgusting stuff. So, yes, people do believe the lies and untruths they are being fed, either from neighbours or from politicians.

Of course Brexit will solve the immigration problem. Migrants for the most part go to countries where economies are vibrant. If we leave we will sink into recession, so less people will want to come here and many of those currently here will leave (Ireland has seen exactly this). Of course in the process we will find high unemployment, less money for investment in the NHS and public services, more poor and homeless, less welfare provision.Our care services and health service will be seriously understaffed but it won't matter because we won't be able to afford them anyway. A bit like taking a sledge hammer to crack a nut. Or as my mother would say "cutting your nose off to spite your face". But I've realised reading these threads there are undoubtedly people who would do this!

Same here. If I am accused of lying, I will either apologise or back up my claim.

You can't make an accusation like that without backing it up. And you can also name names' If I have told a lie I'm quite happy to be 'outed' and I'm sure that everyone else will feel the same.

Where are the lies?

And there is no way I can name names.