Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

This young guy says a lot of things that resonate:

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I think that was probably a no.

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Somehow, I do not think you will be going to any of his meetings, Annie.

They found jobs in Panto whitewave, and Christine went on IACGMOOH , ghastly pair

Oh yes that's it. What a sleazy pair they are. What happened to their house? It was reported that they were absolutely potless and Yonkers behind with their mortgage.

Whitewave, the money in brown envelopes and Fayed

@janeainsworth

Anniebach is correct. Christine Hamilton was his personal secretary, but it was another secretary whom he tried to blame.

I remember it, because my Dad was so outraged. He was very old-fashioned about MPs and their personal values and really disliked Nabarro. My Dad was even shocked by the racist grandchildren comment.

Jevive73 - the mark of a good teacher. Never leave a student feeling stupid or that their opinion isn't worth considering. Rather, encourage them to engage in meaningful debate and not to be afraid to change their mind as a result.

The Hamiltons were taking money to ask specific questions in parliament. There was also something about living the life of Riley in a Paris hotel. But I have forgotten the exact circumstances. Either way they are a couple of charmers with not an ounce of shame between them.

They would sell their grandmother if it suited them.

DD That was Chris Huhne and his wife Vicky Price.

He lied and got one secretary to claim she was driving, he was found guilty and when he appeared in the court for his appeal he was accompanied by his private secretary Christine

@ ab

I remember him. Didn't he try to get Christine Hamilton to take the blame for a traffic offence?

@sunseeker

Many websites are registered abroad to avoid UK laws. However, it is possible for the government to make reading hate speech a crime, just as it does with pornography. Even then, there are millions of illegal pornographic images floating around the web. There are groups monitoring hate speech, but there is just too much of it, especially as police numbers are being cut. That's why it's up to individuals to be brave enough to challenge hate.

The press don't give coverage to the many like Jo Cox , Elrel

Daphne, msy I be selfish? Spare a thought for me please, I have Neil Hanilton of UKIP and his wife, one time secretary to that sweet Tory MP Gerald Nabarro , to battle with, perhaps you are too young to have heard him on the BBC QT asking - would you want your daughter marrying a big,buck N****r with the prospect of coffee coloured grandchildren

Yep we have never been a racist country ! We had Nabarro now we have Farage, who claimed he couldn't get to a meeting in Wales because the immigrants caused heavy traffic on the motorway

A comment from R4:
Many people are saying to me 'I didn't know there were people like Jo Cox in Parliament.'

"Summary of the Investigatory Powers Bill 2015-16 to 2016-17
A Bill to make provision about the interception of communications, equipment interference and the acquisition and retention of communications data, bulk personal datasets and other information; to make provision about the treatment of material held as a result of such interception, equipment interference or acquisition or retention; to establish the Investigatory Powers Commissioner and other Judicial Commissioners and make provision about them and other oversight arrangements; to make further provision about investigatory powers and national security; to amend sections 3 and 5 of the Intelligence Services Act 1994; and for connected purposes."

Have you not heard of the Investigatory Powers Bill, which has just gone through parliament?
The government can now check up on all your online stuff.

The internet is international and it has long been admitted it is impossible to police. I was talking about UK freedom and laws.

@sunseeker

No, it isn't what we do already. There is so much hate speech on the internet and elsewhere, it's become impossible to police. There's no point in having stronger laws if they can't be enforced.

@anniebach

I agree with you. I drove through a town recently and spotted two Britain First BREXIT banners. I have been told by people who live there that the BREXIT campaign has been all about immigration from the start. My daughter is campaigning for Remain and has encountered a fair amount of racism.

I also agree that not all of those supporting Leave are racist, but in an either/or vote, it's wise to choose one's bedfellows carefully.

I really am sorry to go back to early 1930s Germany, but this is how Hitler seized power. The majority of Germans never voted for him in a free election and, even later, some of those in power didn't join the Nazi Party. Their intentions were more 'honorable' but they chose a very dangerous bedfellow.

I think Jo Cox understood this. Her speeches certainly indicate that she did. Maybe Mair will talk more about his motivation for what he did - maybe not. On the face of it, it seems Jo was murdered for standing up for her beliefs, which I find deeply humbling.

dd Isn't that what we do already? If you think the laws are not strong enough you are free to petition your MP and campaign to have them strengthened. I agree that some judiciary can appear to be lenient, however, unless you are actually in the courtroom and hear all the evidence it is very difficult to judge. Unfortunately the media, of all persuasions, each have their own agendas so those who only read newspapers which reflect the views they already hold then have those views reinforced.

Jess, so pleased it went well

@sunseeker

I suggest that the public regulates free speech through elected MPs and the judiciary. We have the power to do that by establishing a consensus of what is acceptable. You claim that hate speech is not allowed in the UK. Unfortunately, it is not challenged sufficiently and the law is not enforced. The amount of hate speech now appearing on the internet and increasingly in the mainstream media is now so great that law enforcement authorities couldn't possibly prosecute without shutting down Facebook, Twitter and many thousands of websites. Therefore, it has to be an individual responsibility to challenge it, not to tolerate any form of hatred and not turn a blind eye. It's not easy when the 'it's all PC' bullies come out of the woodwork.