Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

I'm sorry if you were offended, but that's the reality of what's going on and I find such groups dangerous and frightening. The police can't do anything. It's futile to pretend they don't exist.
dd not offended but I wonder if a forum like GN is an appropriate place to repeat them.
I agree, dangerous and frightening as are all extremist groups.

Why can't the police do anything?
Some posts may be upsetting or distasteful or express an unpopular view but are not necessarily criminal.
Others may be grossly offensive and therefore could well meet the threshold for prosecution.
Others may be part of a campaign of abuse or credible threats of violence against an individual or group of people which likewise may well lead to prosecution.

How sad. What started out as a thread on which people could express their condolences has now degraded into several ongoing and frankly pointless arguments and speculation about what did or did not motivate the attacker. Leave the speculation to the gutter press and wait for the trial transcript. All this petty point-scoring does a dis-service to Jo Cox's memory.

Yes

It also brings back memories of all those others who lost their lives doing their public duties

Yesterday, when I heard about this, I wanted the death penalty brought back.

x posts j

(that was to dd)

which you jingls?

And Gransnet HQ have agreed with you have they? Why would they know anymore than the rest of us?

I'm not a believer in capital punishment, but hope the perpetrator is never released into society again. hear hear

I don't want to get into a debate about democracy, referendum, immigration etc. So, so sad for Jo Cox's husband, children and wider family. Whatever the motive behind it, the act was vicious and full of evil. There is no excuse for such appalling violence to anyone in the world. The facts that we know are that someone killed this young committed woman in cold blood in a horrendous manner. If an animal did this it would be put down. This human being is worse than an animal in that the killing was clearly planned. I'm not a believer in capital punishment, but hope the perpetrator is never released into society again.

RIP Jo Cox

Because certain people seem to think I'm joking or exaggerating the dangers (or whatever).
Most of us are not naive

I don't follow twitter or whatever and my sensibilities are not tender.

Most of these sick people are hiding behind the anonymity of the internet but then occasionally one turns it into a reality. They have always been around but the internet fuels their fantasies.

@merlotgran

Because certain people seem to think I'm joking or exaggerating the dangers (or whatever).

@jinglebells

This was on Facebook on an open site and there are screenshots on HopeNotHate.

Well, why put it on, daphnedill?

Exactly what I wrote. I'm not giving details here.

From daphnedill: "PS. GNHQ have been given details of why I am especially concerned about the 'hidden' right wing and I have had discussions. I am not going to disclose those details here."

What the hell is that supposed to mean?!

Are our sensibilities really so tender that we can't face reading a few tweets from some sick idiots? I don't think so, surely! We can't totally blind ourselves to what's going on in he world.

I read Jeremy Corbyn's tweet earlier today and some of the replies were sickening. We still need to read it though.

I'm not advocating sitting at home and deliberately finding websites where all this stuff goes on, but Twitter?....

Just been said that he had links with right wing extremists, and that is the main line of enquiry by the police.

I think all MPs get abuse and threats these days. The anonymity of the internet enables it, we have to hope it's mostly not going to be carried through.

My MP David Lammy's Facebook page gets regularly filled with racist abuse. In a way I'm quite glad when he leaves it up, otherwise we can all stay comfortably insulated from these other realities. Facebook users mostly publish in their own names (they can of course be traced by police unless they have gone to great lengths to hide themselves), I'm surprised at the confidence with which they write barely legal rants.

@Tegan

There have also been reports that somebody was cautioned, but not this man, so probably unrelated.

PS. GNHQ have been given details of why I am especially concerned about the 'hidden' right wing and I have had discussions. I am not going to disclose those details here.

Relatives and neighbours have stated that he did not have violent tendencies. We don't know what his mental issues were, but nobody could have done anything if they didn't know how aggressive he was. I haven't read anything about psychopathic tendencies.

It said on the news that Jo had reported to the police that she had received threats. It didn't say who or from which organisations they were from.

Sorry Jaeainsworth but a very poor analogy , I read the reports of the injuries of victims of Hindly and Brady , I assure you no one could use those as an analogy with a foul mouthed comment on Twitter

And before the usual group question I read the reports but should not have and have always regretted it

@Jalima

If you don't visit these sites, do you really know how vile they are? I posted them, because somebody accused people of making political capital and I wanted to point out that there are hundreds of groups which already are. I see that Nick Griffin has even joined in.

As it happens, those tweets weren't tweets, but Facebook posts and were re-posted on HopenotHate, the group Jo's husband would like to benefit from any donations.

I'm sorry if you were offended, but that's the reality of what's going on and I find such groups dangerous and frightening. The police can't do anything. It's futile to pretend they don't exist.