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Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

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POGS Thu 16-Jun-16 14:12:42

I am sorry to be watching this ' unravelling' news report .

I hope she will be OK. Her poor family.

It is being reported that 2 people have been shot and 2 stabbings but no police confirmation as yet. The area is on lock down at the moment and there is a Primary School in the vicinity .

I hope the gunman is caught soon.

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 20:47:55

She did not just post a link. She posted two paragraphs which included this.

"Or they may try to say that a vote to stay in the EU is a vote against ‘hatred’ and for ‘hope’ or the politics of ‘unity’ over those of ‘division’. If they do then they should be aware that they are using the actions of a madman, extremist or terrorist (or all three) as a means to further their own political goals. They would be doing precisely what we try so hard, unanimously and generally successfully to stop Islamist gunmen from being able to do.

Such a move would bring about the triumph of the assassin’s veto in our society – something which could not only have appalling short-term consequences, but bloody long-term ones as well. I trust that those campaigning for ‘Remain’ recognise that a victory achieved on those terms would be the sourest and most divisive victory of all."

That's what some of us find appalling and is what you find appalling from the opposite perspective. POGS said she liked it. That's not twisting anything she said. How do you make out that it is?

Jalima Mon 20-Jun-16 20:41:19

No more crass than quoting from that awful Spectator article imo
Posting a link to an article is quite normal on here, many people do it; we may not agree with the content of the article but the poster is perfectly at liberty to link to it. We do not have to read it if we do not like the publication.

Twisting and deliberately misinterpreting someone's posts, saying things that a poster never said at all and then posing it as a question is putting words into someone's mouth that they never said and never intended.

This is what sensationalist newspapers use as headlines - they manage to spread rumours and innuendo about people but disguise it in ways which make it a question rather than a statement.
They may use headlines such as 'If I vote Brexit would I be aligning myself with fascists and thugs?' - therefore implying that anyone who does is that very thing by association.

All very clever but insidious.

Tegan Mon 20-Jun-16 19:21:19

No more crass than quoting from that awful Spectator article imo sad.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 19:02:16

Anniebach - "POGS, are you including her husband as someone using his wife's death?"

You never cease to amaze me with the crassness of your posts. What kind of a mind comes up with that?

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 18:48:24

Yes, that worked.

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 18:47:55

www.facebook.com/events/504385666426848/

See if this works. It's on Save the Children, called More in Common.

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 18:39:06

t.emails.savethechildren.org.uk/r/?id=h208f103,145ef4fe,145efb1a

A list of events around the world next Wednesday, which would have been her 42nd birthday.

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 18:35:50

Jo Cox fund has reached nearly a million pounds now.
A third goes to Hopenothate.

whitewave Mon 20-Jun-16 18:20:43

We can keep on fighting hate in her name. That's all I can do.

Anniebach Mon 20-Jun-16 18:13:36

Seeing the two roses was so upsetting whitewave

whitewave Mon 20-Jun-16 18:02:26

Oh I have just seen the seat with the roses.

Mamie Mon 20-Jun-16 17:08:08

I have spent the last couple of hours in tears listening to the wonderful tributes to Jo Cox.
The House of Commons and the House of Lords at their best.
What a wonderful, brilliant, compassionate and passionate human being.

Anniebach Mon 20-Jun-16 13:41:31

Sorry, forgot to say - the names I used have been brought to this forum by other posters accusing them of using the death , don't recall you saying anything about not making it personal POGS, granted it may have been one of your posts I chose not to read

Anniebach Mon 20-Jun-16 13:37:58

Yet the article was all about her death may be used , so nothing wrong in me asking your views of her husbands statement, nothing odious about my question, what was odious was the article in the Spectator

POGS Mon 20-Jun-16 13:23:21

Anniebach

Your question is odious but I will respond by saying her husband, her family have responded with integrity, love and have most certainly not politicised their sad loss.

The fact you bring so close a person into the equation is not one I would have elected to do to be honest.

On another thread you are raising individual names but I consider the passage I posted to be a generalisation .

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 13:16:26

That well known Brexiter, Douglas Murray, is not using her death to further the cause of Brexit, is he not?
Pull the other one.

Tegan Mon 20-Jun-16 13:10:54

But the previous article in the Spectator seemed [imo] to take a different stance.

Anniebach Mon 20-Jun-16 13:00:34

POGS, are you including her husband as someone using his wife's death ?

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 12:56:18

The article, which you said you liked, said that if we voted to remain we would be using her death to propagate our own views. We would not. He implies that if remain wins it is because of her death. That's what I find appalling. It's not a question of semantics, either. That is how I read the bit that you quoted, which you obviously like, as you said so.
That is my gut reaction to that article. He even used the word assassin in it, which is what I believe the murderer to have been.

Anniebach Mon 20-Jun-16 12:50:26

The article is not quoting facts, they are claiming what may happen, this is an opinion not a fact

POGS Mon 20-Jun-16 12:47:39

Trisher what 2 people from the Leave Campaign?

Anniebach. The article is not using the death of Jo Cox in a negative way. It is using her death to ask questions of politicising a death, asks questions of those who use her death to promote their own views.

POGS Mon 20-Jun-16 12:42:39

The article is not about Jo Cox per se it is about the lack of decency when people use her death to propagate their own views, as the article says "could not pass the opportunity to press what they saw as a political advantage". The article does not turn it's face against the far right tendencies of the gunman , it is pointing out the ease with which some jumped on a band wagon prior to knowing the facts.

Being 'disgusted' is not the domain of those who are for either Remain or Leave . I refer to comments such as "Leave are using her death". Another post " I would have even been disturbed by an attack on a far right Tory (I would make exceptions)."

I am not defending either Campaign, I have no interest in doing so. I am making a point and agreeing with the sentiment in the article that asks ' Is it too much to ask for some decency?". If you find my posts unpalatable then so be it but I posted to hopefully make at least someone think .

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 12:28:23

was

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 12:28:03

I saw the flowers for her on Westminster Green yesterday. So sad. A Syrian woman was chalking a message of gratitude to her on the pavement. Her work as appreciated.

Welshwife Mon 20-Jun-16 12:22:55

I cannot understand why the Leave camp have said that they had no idea about Baroness Wasi being in their camp - I read the lists put out at the beginning of the campaigning and was very surprised to see her name on the Leave list. Maybe this is just another little slip rather than admit people are finding their campaign tactic distasteful and leaving because of them - she mentioned Michael Gove not Farage.