Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

There was one at the by-election for Sadiq Khan's replacement. The returning officer misread the name and had to start again for that one.
Actually, I think there was someone from every party you have heard of and even some you haven't. A fewof them got votes in single figures.

Anyway, this referendum is soon tobe over. Hopefully with theright outcome.

Excellent post, lucky.

I have listened to Michael Dougan's analysis. It is impressive and appears erudite, but I do not think it could be described as non-partisan. He has his view and he provides useful information and statistics to back it up. He avoids (and admits this) some of the more contentious issues like immigration and concentrates on trade.

His whole lecture begs the question as to why this referendum is taking place at all, and this is my big gripe. It is a piece of window-dressing on Cameron's part - "Look at me, I listen to the people." If, as the Remain camp assert, there is huge danger to the UK in leaving the EU, then what possessed the government to initiate this referendum? Could it be because Cameron promised this as a way to get himself elected? What an act of irresponsibility this is, if their assertions are true.

On the other hand, we have to assume that some of the assertions of the Remain supporters are not true, or they would not have initiated the referendum in the first place. Surely they cannot be that irresponsible, to knowing open the door to economic ruin as they believe? - and for what?

What has this referendum achieved? Whatever the result, it has divided the nation - can this be seen as a desirable objective? It has fueled extremist views on both sides - can this be see as a desirable outcome?

These are huge prices to pay for Cameron's ploy to get his government elected.

Whatever the outcome of the vote, it is likely to be close run, and therefore effectively invalid. No one side will be able to claim that "The people have spoken."

The pieces that will need picking up after the referendum go deep and threaten our stability. How dare Cameron set this dangerous beast loose. I am very angry about this; and I will not vote. I cannot tell you how much this goes against the grain with me, aware as I am of those before me who fought for this right. I can see no other option.

...can't have too many MRLP's imo...

The Official or Unofficial one?

She's obviously never read me eulogising about the MRLP...

You are probably hard left in her eyes.

Strange that the things I wrote about core values etc should cause Granny2016 to assume I was a Labour voter because I don't think I actually said which party I had allied myself to.

Yes, I remember that. Rude and uncouth.
I have just watched that link, then sent it on to all those I know on facebook, to watch then pass on.
Very impressive. Praise for Corbyn, too, about the law. I imagine Corbyn asked his friend Keir Starmer about that. Or is Corbyn a lawyer?
It should be required viewing, but only just over a million so far. How do they count that?
I ought to have asked my son to do an extra like for me on facebook. Is that possible?
Never mind.
Soon to be over.

Yes, it does, dj. Paul Golding stood in the election for London Mayor as a Britain First candidate. He was the one who turned his back on Sadiq Khan when he was elected.

"Tegan....Leaders from all parties have spoken out with disgust at the murder of Jo Cox,and rightly so.
Surely all parties share the same core values in relation to this sad situation."

Granny2016, you said ALL parties, twice. You did not exclude EDL and Britain First. Call that nitpicking if you like. Otherwise if you mean all main parties, say so. I did actually check to see if Britain First could count itself as a political party, and it does.

If Farage became a MEP. To make a nuisance of himself how has he managed this by rarely attended ? Did he think everything would be halted whilst they searched for him?

Reposting the link, because it's well worth it. Twenty minutes, but worth every minute, especially for those still saying they don't know enough to make an informed decision.

www.facebook.com/UniversityofLiverpool/videos/vb.130437690316977/1293361974024537/?type=2&theater

Did you watch the lecture granjura flagged up merlotgran? Just interested to know.

Was this the thread about Jo Cox? i didn't recognize it, but did read his article about immigration. very good This work will comfort him -I hope!

The MEPs that do work hard can campaign to become MPs.

It shouldn't happen if anyone agrees to be on an electoral list to be MEP. Totally agree with Tegan- if he didn't want the job, the only honest thing would have been NOT to apply!!!

And then to complain the UK has no influence- when those who are supposed to represent us and indeed have an infuence on decisions- just pick up the cheque and do not do the job they were elected to do. How dishonest is that?

But I agree, if MEPs to not attend without good cause, on a regular basis- their cheque should be cancelled and their place up for re-election.

Same in any Government btw. On oru Council here, 2 nephews of the Maire are elected every few years by his cronies and never come to any Council meetings or the various Commissions they are supposed to work with. Totally wrong and dishonest.

What about the MEP's that do work hard? Do we tar all of them with the same brush that is Farage. If he loathes the EU as much as he appears to be he should have done the decent thing and resigned .

Good point merlotgran.

Which I think, if I remember correctly, was his point in the dirst place. He said right from the start, that if he was elected, his platform was he wanted very little to do with it, and had plans to be a nuiscance there.
He think he has done exactly what he said he would do.

My logic is simple.

Granjura complained that Nigel Farage (and no doubt many other MEPs) are picking up fat cheques for doing the bare minimum.

I agree with her.

This cannot happen if we leave the EU.

Posted on another thread too- but this non political lecture is really clear and non partisan- from one of the most experience EU Law experts in the UK, fromn Liverpool University. Not to be missed if anyone want to make an informed judgement<.

www.facebook.com/UniversityofLiverpool/videos/1293361974024537/

None of it bears thinking about!

I think many now believe if we leave the EU we will have complete freedom to do what we want, when we want and the countries of Europe will jump in and give us aid if we ask them too. We will have control over our own borders , no matter last week a sinking boat was rescued in the channel by the French, we had one boat in the channel they had twenty. And if the fencing, police patrols and camps are removed from Calais ?

I don't follow your logic. The UK has very generous quotas - second after Denmark.

If the UK is to maintain sustainable fishing stocks for future generations, it would have to impose the same quotas (or less). The allocation of quotas to specific ports is in any case a UK, not EU, responsibility. Many of the worst affected areas receive EU funding, which would not be guaranteed if the UK left the EU.

The EU has decided on an overall limit and Farage should have been fighting for a bigger share of that limit.

You can read more about fishing here:

www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/griffin-carpenter/eu-common-fisheries-policy-has-helped-not-harmed-uk-fisheries-0

I haven't condoned anything. I'm not a UKIP supporter.