I don't know very much at all about anything, but I found this article interesting

I have said what I thought of people who post similar stuff to yours, practical. I am an equal opportunities debunker of invective and illogical thinking, wherever it comes from.

Ele have you read some of the remains posts or don't you see they do this as well. Typical of the remain crowd don't think anyone should have a view but them. They have also frightened off a lot of leave people through the aggression so I will carry on in case they want to read what the other side thinks and I won't be frightened off.I have had 40 years to THINK and see what the eu are doing to us shame you haven't looked into it more

Dont you think they are right about the IS threat whitewave?

We have some friends who we haven't seen for some time as they have been in Portugal visiting family. They were saying last night that all their family are so worried about the vote and the consequences if it is Brexit.

However, and this is the depressing thing and leads on from what jing was saying. The only information my friends get is from the Daily Mail. Both are going to vote out and both then explained their reason. Honestly it was something from "Brave New World" They talked simply parrot fashion talked about the hoards of immigrants, the terrible threat fron Isis which included death and rape. It was utterly depressing.

jing you are so right

Well said, Elegran!

practical You do have a liking for emotive and extreme statements. I was about to list half a dozen of them (just from this page) to show how they all add up to a classic example of paranoid conspiracy theory, but on second thoughts I don't want to repeat them - someone might read my post and think the paranoia was my own.

Take half a step back and think of what you are doing for one moment. There are points to be made for and against the EU, for staying and for leaving, and each of us must decide to vote as we see best. However, hysterical accusations that there is a campaign to completely destroy the UK, from the language to all its institutions, is the equivalent of sitting hunched in a corner screaming invective at the window-cleaner for entering the garden.

Take a cold shower.

I thought it was the Remain side which was supposed to be instigating Project Fear!

Oh dear. I am even more of the opinion now that putting this to the vote of joe public was a very stupid thing to do.

Why did you do it Dave?

The eu are crafty when it comes to wrecking our country
the things they are holding back on until they have tricked you into staying is horrendous as soon as they get the result you will see this happen
ONE of Britain's foremost pensions experts has warned that remaining in the EU will be catastrophic for both state and private pensions in the UK.
Professor David Blake, Director of the Pensions Institute at the Cass Business School, has written a paper outlining 10 reasons why staying in the EU ranges from "pretty bad to very, very bad" for pensions.
His devastating analysis came as new research by Vote Leave has revealed that just one EU directive due to come in shortly will increase the cost of British pensions by £328 million a year.
But even this figure is dwarfed by further proposals put on hold until after the referendum which will cost pension funds in the UK by a massive £500 billion.
In a detailed analysis of the EU's plans and policies, Prof Blake has warned that a vote to Remain on Thursday will be catastrophic for the pensions system.
Among the reasons are the EU plan to take control of pensions through its new social charter, the new EU rules which will starve pension funds of hundreds of billions and "an overwhelming volume of law and regulation issued by the EU every year" which is unfairly applied to the UK.

When people resort to personal sniping, it's a sign they've lost the argument. You know very well what kind of sites those are, practical.

MODERN art worth more than £13million has been stockpiled by the EU at the taxpayers’ expense, new research by the Vote Leave campaign has discovered.
Research showed that in recent months £54,000 was spent on acquiring art from Hungary, from Poland (£121,000), Slovakia (£31,000), Slovenia {£15,000), Malta (£11,000), Bulgaria (£42,000) and £81,000 on art from Romania.
Matthew Elliott, chief executive of the Vote Leave campaign group, said: “These startling figures show that EU officials are using hardworking British taxpayers’ money to fund a shrine to the European project.”
Meanwhile, EU officials who have been sanctioned for corruption, tax avoidance and sexual harassment have been allowed to keep their jobs, a new document from Brussels reveals.
Records of disciplinary action taken against EU employees showed that only one member of staff was dismissed for rule breaches last year.
The report also showed that 30 cases were not followed up and 31 were deemed as having no case to answer.

Mostly from google I put something in I want to know about then go there to ask.

I really would love to know what other sites you do frequent 'prac'.

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The Conservative Party’s 2010 candidate for the parliamentary seat of Batley and Spen – the seat of murdered MP Jo Cox – has lashed out at Baroness Sayeeda Warsi after her claim to have defected from the ‘Leave’ to the ‘Remain’ campaign.
Janice Atkinson (nee Small) has told Breitbart London that Baroness Warsi never helped her campaign during the 2010 general election, and was certainly never any part of the Brexit campaign.

Ms. Atkinson said: “In 2010 I stood for the Conservative party in the key marginal seat of Batley and Spen. As the [Conservative Party] chairman, Ms Warsi was expected to tour the marginal seats, campaign with us, support us, help us to raise money and even talk to ordinary people in the street. She did none of these things, even though she lived in the next door constituency of Dewsbury.
“In fact, Ms Warsi met me for a coffee – once, for half an hour – and brought along her 10-year-old daughter. She promised much and never delivered.”
Baroness Warsi has been roundly mocked for her claim to have “defected” between the two camps today, with many taking to Twitter to lampoon her for appearing at different points in fiction and in history.

@Tegan

It's probably from 'eutruth' or Paul Weston's site, both of which are specialists in hate-mongering. One of practical's first links was to 'eutruth'.

Yes, we do have a say. MEP elections are held every five years and use proportional representation, which results in more democracy than the Houses of Parliament. The EU Council is made up of elected heads of state.

I haven't said I trust Boris but the point is he can be voted out, the eu champers drinkers can't we have no say in them.

Tegan it was a quote from someone who posted it on line
not face book or twitter because I don't go on them but I haven't noticed anyone putting who quotes on them only what they quote.

practical -

The man accused of murdering Jo Cox said "death to traitors". Even in the febrile atmosphere of hatred whipped up in recent weeks, I had not heard the word "traitor" till then.

Beneath contempt

"Don't let them win, we have plenty naive fools in the "remain" camp- they do not really understand what is at stake here. The far-left traitors want to use the EU as their main weapon to utterly destroy this country''
..can I ask who actually said this please?

Many people have stated that Boris cannot be trusted - neither can Gove, IDS or Farage!!!
Your remarks really are getting a tad over the top. - are you starting to get a bit worried after all your crowing in recent days? I am really worried what will happen if the fools take over and maybe it is the Exit campaign who do not realise the consequences of leaving - I only hope we do not get to see how misguided your opinions are.
I am amazed that quote does not go as far as to say the English language will also be banned - it is the International language of many things and high priority in French Schools.

I haven't seen anything on other countries because only looked for Britain but the south would go to france because that's where the money is.
as for the Turkey entry
BREXIT campaigners have warned Cameron “cannot be trusted on Turkey” after he repeatedly refused to confirm whether he would veto the country’s entry into the European Union (EU).
The Prime Minister sidelined the question three times in his last TV debate before Thursday’s vote, instead saying there is no prospect of Turkey becoming a member anytime soon.
Appearing on a special Question Time programme on Sunday evening, he said the issue was “the biggest red herring in this referendum debate” and voting to leave the EU based on whether Turkey will be allowed into the bloc or not would be a “crazy thing to do”.
However, he refused to say whether he would use Britain’s right to veto their entry or not.
Brexit campaigners said the reason Mr Cameron refused to answer the Turkey veto question is because he backs the east European country becoming a member and in his own words is the “strongest possible advocate” of Turkey joining.
Over the past six years his government has been an active supporter of Turkey joining.
In April, Britain’s Europe minister, David Lidington said: “The UK supports Turkey’s EU accession process.”
Just two years ago, Mr Cameron himself, said: “In terms of Turkish membership of the EU, I very much support that.”

I was referring there to the carve up of the UK.

Many Western states wish to see things improve in Turkey etc with regards to human rights - there is one of 35 points they have ticked and they still have the other 34 to go before they would be considered. Far from being an imminent threat