Does a little bit of you...... (It's about that)

It's just that it's - like a book! I want to see the other ending.

I'm certain we would be better staying in the EU but I suppose there would be a certain grim satisfaction in watching what happens if we leave.

I think a lot of people have answered in a 'serious' way on this thread, not just granjura.

granjura. There are humpty dumpty serious threads on the referendum.

You didn't have to come on this one.

Jalima- a bit of respect please. Some of us will not be having a sulky meltdown ... some of us will be seriously affected by it. And others may well be seriously affected by it too, who perhaps now believe they won't. This is about real life- not a silly GN thread and tittle tattle.

It is going to be seriously close though.

I hate the thought of after if there is a Bre xit, but it will undoubtedly make extremely interesting following as they try to cobble together first a government then a plan! Half the country will be against them so they will have to be very clever, which they have shown absolutely no sign of yet.

Nigglynellie All I know is that in 2011 it was 55,000 civil servants working in Brussels for the eu. So you can add a few 1,000s to that now.

almost want the other side to win
well, it would upset some posters on here no end, they will have a meltdown, almost a reason to vote Brexit

but I won't
This is not meant to be a serious thread, is it jingls

No jings I'm genuinely afraid to wake up on Friday morning and find we're out of the EU - in fact I can't think of any other issue that has such serious repercussions. I am already worried about the effects of current government cuts and to think about the consequences of a Brexit win fill me with true dread.

You can find out number of Bureacrats if you google it I am sure if that is what you are querying Niggly

the 100s of French I know would happily have a whip round to buy every single migrant in Calais a boat...

Of course the border posts would have to move back to Dover. The French, even around here a long way from Calais, are adamant they will boycott the UK and make life hell at all ports. Rightly or wrongly, but that is the mood here!

nigglynellie that move costs €150,000,000 a year. And it's the French that won't change it. This information was given by Jeramy Paxman when he did the programme on the eu.

They are apparently currently debating stopping the ridiculous move to and from Strasbourg

Welshwife, my worry is what will the French attitude be if we vote to leave? will the border be shifted to Dover? I read that all members accept that moving the parliament once a month(!!) for voting purposes is a complete waste of a lot of money, but for some curious reason it can't be revoked!! I need to Google it, but it certainly sounds ridiculous! Not convinced about the beaurocrats!

Niggly I agree with what you are saying about the parliament moving from Brussels to Strasbourg etc but I think that it is a sort of historical thing started when there many few people to move about.
What do you mean about the French attitude at Calais? They are helping us out at the moment because we are both the members of the EU.
The unelected people at the EU are the Civil Servants - they are told what to devise a plan for - there are less of them than the Civil Service in UK - performing much the same function but there are far fewer in Brussels for many more people. On that scale it is the UK who has the Fat Cats rather than the EU.
i hope you find the answers you want before Thursday and mark you very important paper!

Me too. If I thought we would prosper outside the eu, I would vote out. I agree that the rate of immigration is a problem. There ars plusses and minuses overall, but many problems, particularly in places like London where I live. But I can still remember the last big recession - families posting the keys through their doors as they left homes they couldn't pay mortgages on ( one of my friends had two young children when this happened to and it took her years to get back on her feet). All the brave talk
Ppm about standing alone as Great Britain (minus Scotland?)sounds fine, but I hope to wake up Friday still in the eu.

Mamie, like you , as an expat I dread the success of Brexit. My husband disagrees - mainly because he hates Cameron.
But I try to ignore the whole thing, just hope and pray it comes to nothing.
In any case I still believe in the original motivation - Europe needs to stay together to avoid further conflict.

Dramatictessa, you're probably right, and I expect a lot of them will just resume business as usual after the result.

Not so for many of the voters, unfortunately, there has been so much rancour, even within families.

I won't feel 'smug' if the country votes to leave and things go badly wrong; if it happens I want to be mistaken. You don't seem to understand is that all I want is what's best for the country as a whole. Can I state categorically that if we leave and everything does go well I'll be more than happy.

See what you mean Jalima. But jingl did put a question to us- and some have answered sincerely. Sorry if we are too worried at the moment to want to joke about it- because it's not funny for some of us- truly.

That's what happens in any discussions, Ana, they go off the point and ramble all over the place. But taking it back to the original premise, it will be really interesting to see how the Tories shift afterwards no matter what the outcome. Their infighting has been so vicious but I wonder if those of them who are the old Eton/Oxford set just see this as an extension of their debating societies and once it's all over they'll all be pals again.

but we won't be able to rejoin the EU in a few years time if we realise we've put a cross in the wrong box on Thursday.
but you will be able to feel very smug if it all goes belly-up
Then again, if it doesn't .....

back to light relief everyone

Jalima,the more I think about it this is the exactly how I feel. Our lovely Dutch friends surprised me last summer by telling us that they now didn't bother to vote in any of their elections! They are intelligent folk and when I asked to why, they shrugged and said it was pointless as Holland is now run by Brussels and it didn't matter anymore who won, so voting was a completely useless exercise. Is this what will happen to the UK in the years to come? I certainly don't hark back to the days before our entry into the common market, no two pe. ople were more enthusiastic joiners no question about that What I think I would like to go back to is what we originally signed up for.

And inevitably this has turned into yet another 'reasons to vote Remain' thread...

Well I didn't vote for this Government, this Prime Minister or my constituency MP so I'm not represented anywhere. And yes, we can vote for someone else in a few years time; but we won't be able to rejoin the EU in a few years time if we realise we've put a cross in the wrong box on Thursday.That's why it's vitally important that everyone who votes does so for the right reasons.