Ok, we are out, what now?

Whitewave

Well 'I' would think so but then again there has been so many posters using vitriolic rhetoric calling people 'thick' 'uneducated' maybe they don't.

I wasn't trying to point score I am giving a reason as to why 'I' believe the political elite need to heed the warning signs for ALL our sakes. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes the demo in Paris was nasty, I agree. But "violence engulfing France" in that report is a ridiculous exaggeration. It really hasn't been that widespread or sustained.

Mamie

The English news has hardly covered it.

www.france24.com/en/tag/strike/

Don't you think we know all that pogs?

We rather thought that we as a union could tackle these problems together.

Instead we have jumped ship, and in doing so shot ourselves in the foot

POGS despite what you might have read, the strikes in France have been limited to a minority of members one union, the CGT. We have had a few days of blocked roads, blocked bridges and blocked refineries, some disruption to rail travel and a week or so of fuel shortages. This has been spread across France, not everywhere, and in terms of sustained disruption, it has not been a big deal.
People here shrug and say "bof".
I know it all looks very dramatic on the English news, but it really isn't. Here in Normandy we have been more affected than most, but apart from having to avoid a couple of demos and topping up when we saw fuel for a few days, it hasn't had a huge impact.
Entirely normal for France.

Adding to my previous post, I am fed up with the thought everything is hunky dory in the rest of the EU.

Take Freedom of Movement and the point that any renegotiations would mean we would have to accept the Schengen Agreement, 6 countries Germany, Denmark, Sweden, France, Austria, Norway have Temporary Border Controls.

Workers Rights, France has been disrupted for months due to riots , strikes , not because of EU dictact but because of the decision by the French Government. Some of the points raised by Labour especially have been actually a reason why the UK workers have lost jobs and wages have not risen, people see through it.

Economy, France is in trouble because of the riots and strikes,(unions take note), Italy, Spain , Portugal not doing very well and Greece has just been bailed out again.

Employment. Lowest, Czech Republic 4.1% Germany 4.2 %. Highest Greece 24.2%, Spain 20.1%. .

Youth unemployment Greece 48.9%, Spain 45.3%, Croatia 40.3%, Italy 39%. Germany 6.9%,

What has happened in the UK referendum HAS TO BE A WAKE UP CALL for the political elite not only in the UK but for the EU too. They should see this is a time for reflection honesty and take an opportunity to work together to enhance cooperation between nations , listen to the voices of the people and not their own tiny bubble .

I would hope so Elegran.

Heads need knocking between the EU and the UK.

According to Stanley Johnson, the Johnson family were playing cricket yesterday. Very important, he thought.

I reckon they are under their comfort blanket sucking their thumbs

It is just possible that they are all at a meeting together, busily finalising all the detailed plans that they had been making for months and allocating who is going to do what.

On the other hand, they may have taken a large bottle of whisky into a locked room, with the blinds down and the phone off the hook.

Observer

"The fact that the Brexiters seem utterly unprepared is deeply worrying. At the very real risk is Britains future economic wellbeing, it's trade and exports, it's jobs and incomes, it's social cohesion and its reputation and standing in the world"

Seems to me that they are all going down the pan.

For goodness sake . Blame game, he said /she said, abusive name calling, disingenuous partisan politics etc. etc.

It will require 'progressive' , mature dialogue between the EU and the UK to stabilise the markets, assure trade continues between the EU and the UK which benefits ALL the 28 countries WHICH ARE STILL MEMBERS OF THE EU .

What it does not require is for politicians/financial elite to act irratically, put the politics of the European Union before the commerce of the European Union then there might be a reasonable outcome.

I think it makes sense for a different vision of the European Union to the Treaties of the past, it is evolving throughout Europe and some countries such as Germany and France relish the Ever Closer Union/Federal State of Europe, others particularly the UK never have nor will do.

There is a way to 'give something to everybody' but it will not happen if politicians go down the root of anger , hurt and downright hatred which only serves to damage not only the UK but the 'peoples' of the EU also. The political elite in the EU will always be OK but that worm is turning and they know that!!!!!!

Tell me about it Whitewave! He got sacked as NI minister, then from Environment, where he also introduced badger culling and delayed banning the importation of ash trees so speeding up the disease affecting them now. We are losing a whole GP practice with 4000 people and nowhere for us to sign on because all local practices are full - but he's doing nothing about it. Unfortunately this is the constituency with the largest Conservative majority in the UK so there's nothing to be done. Biffen was the MP before him

He used to be in charge of environment agency and is a climate change denier, talk about a conflict of interest.

My MP is Owen Patterson - I really don't think it's worth spending the time.

We voted remain in Brighton and Hove

We have 2 Universities and a relatively well off population, although there are areas of deprivation like everywhere.

Both Gove and Boris are journalists first, then politicians. That's why the leave campaign was full of spin.

Corbyn is getting a lot of flack for it, but 63% of labour voters voted to remain.

"It is naive to say that if Corbyn had been more pro EU that more than the 63% of Labour voters who voted Remain would have voted that way. There are much stronger arguments to the contrary and let’s not forget that Labour voters in the last EU referendum albeit 40 years ago voted 2:1 to leave. The Labour Party and its voters have always been anti EU and so the claim that Corbyn’s ‘lack of leadership’ caused the Brexit vote is as facile as it gets."
This man does not support Labour.

dj, That's not surprising. London voted Remain and it's the most heavily populated area of the country.

Thanks, Anan. My constituency was Leave, but nearly 50/50. I know for a fact that my MP is very pro-EU, but I'll send him an email.

I'd say what has been exposed most clearly by this referendum is not that the majority are thick, or racist, but that an enormous percentage of those who voted did so because they believed they were voting for one thing and cast their votes for it, then found after the result that they had achieved something else. Part of that is the misleading claims that wwere bandied about, part was the refusal of some to even read anything by anyone who knew what they were talking about.

Even the leaders of the successful leave campaign looked stunned to realise that they had actually won the gamble and now were obliged to step forward and take possession of their prize. Rather like bidding on Ebay for something you can't afford so as to push up the price to competitors and then discovering that you are now its proud possessor and will have to pay for it.

It is still possible that a U-turn could be achieved before the cliff-edge is reached. If not, I do hope someone with integrity, vision, negotiating skill, patience, staying power and the ability to knit together the broken pieces emerges to manage the re-invention of the country.

There must be a needle somewhere in this haystack.

Yes and these facts should be given by experts (go away Gove) the politicians lie and spin so have brought us to this.

Agreed, Alea.

From some interviews I've seen, far too many people thought they were voting against the government.

Granny2016, I really respect your view. I still feel incredibly angry. I could have accepted it more easily, if I'd thought people knew what what they were voting for (I accept you did). I accept that there are some valid reasons for leaving the EU, but I do not believe for one moment that many people knew what they are.

Let's have some real facts - no promises about immigration, loads of money for the NHS, replacement of EU grants, threats about millions of Turks. Tell them which laws are really affected by the EU and how much the EU helps the UK. Give people some real facts and then let them decide. That's what I've been going on about for months, by the way.

Why is nobody discussing it on the media. We need someone to listen. I think they ignore us at their peril. The country is in no mood to be told what to do.

Contact your mp.

Granny16 some people did spell out the consequences, this was labelled "Project fear". Some people did point out the £350 million lie on Boris's battlebus. They were reviled. Some people did write/broadcast detailed exposés of the economic and legal ramifications, they were discounted as "boring". Not to mention dismissed by Farage as "experts"!!

The petition for a second referendum has now over 3 million signatures and rising. A second referendum can be implemented legally. The compelling case for considering a second referendum is that the voters are now more reliably informed as to the consequences of leaving. It can be argued that the Leave campaign had manipulated ill informed voters by lying.
It will be a dilemma for MPs who believe Brexit would be a disaster to vote against it unless they were supported by their constituents. It is important to let your MP know your views on it. There must be many who voted to leave and now feel it was a mistake. The MP can only act on this change of heart if they are informed.