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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

morethan2 Fri 24-Jun-16 07:53:17

I'm worried the only thing I'll see is a drop in our pension.we're due to retire in the next two years.

wot Fri 24-Jun-16 07:55:52


Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:56:23

But that is not a constructive idea, morethan. I was asking for ideas, not worries. What action should we take now? ANY of us, those in high places and the lowly rest of us?

Anya Fri 24-Jun-16 07:57:17

Firstly, declare an amnesty on illegal immigrants and make it clear that everyone who is already working in this country is welcome, needed and should stay and can continue to access our public services. Ask that our citizens living in the EU ar extended the same privileges.

Then the government needs to sit down with EU leaders, who will now be anxious that other countries do not follow our lead, and use this to negotiate a good trading deal.

That's a starting point.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:57:51

Same to you, wot There is no future in being dismayed. Put on your look-ahead hat and think what should be done next!

whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 07:58:04

elegran do you mean us as individuals or us as a country

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 07:58:38

I'm afraid I haven't a clue, Elegran, so I shall sit back on this thread and wait for some positive contributions. I hope to see more than damage limitation.

Skullduggery Fri 24-Jun-16 08:00:11

Major recession for the next ten plus years, house prices plummet. Mass unemployment. They'll be no NHS soon as it will be privatised.
£50 for a GP appointment suit you?

Yep, the UK's fucked and you need to face reality.
Thank god I've already escaped now the lunatics have truly taken over the asylum.

Last one to leave, don't bother turning the lights out, there's nobody home.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 08:01:19

Anya, We could have declared an amnesty on illegal immigrants anyway and we already have a good trading deal. I thought the idea of leaving the EU was to IMPROVE things.

Any more ideas?

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:01:59

Thank you Ana. You are right, now is a good moment to strike and get a start on a good deal, while the iron is hot and the EU are concerned to show the best face to all the other member states. But who will take the initiative to carry it to them, to be pro-active instead of reactive/ There is not a single politician currently who could be act like a statesman and make such a move. Not in any party.

J52 Fri 24-Jun-16 08:04:15

Fear of mortgage rises seems to have already affected house prices and sales. So could make things easier for first time buyers.

But higher mortgages and fear of negative equity would also put off a first time buyer.

I don't feel very positive, I'm afraid.

Pippa000 Fri 24-Jun-16 08:04:18

I don't think there will be much change in the next year or so while negotiations are on going. However the financial markets are usually volatile at the slightest change, and will probably remain so for quite a while until a new PM is elected as I cannot see David Cameron's position being tenable. It remains to be seen how leaving will effect the person in the street. For example there will have to be renegotiated trade agreements and I suspect some European companies will make this as difficult as possible in order to deter other countries from following UK's lead, how this will effect jobs is anyone's guess. The biggest threat I feel is to the present European Union as it stands and to the smaller countries who see membership as joining the gravy train, which may now have been derailed. As someone wiser than me said "We live in interesting times"

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 08:05:41

Hope Cameron says he is going to leave when he talks now.
That's the best thing. Then the Brexiters will have to take over. They are the ones who need ideas.

annsixty Fri 24-Jun-16 08:06:40

Well The first thing I realise after listening to Philip Hammond is that I am not likely to see the final benefit or downside. I will be 79 in 2 weeks and the break or divorce as Elegran so aptly puts it will be a long time coming. He actually said we will still be members in2 years time, with decreasing influence. Those who thought today would bring instant change are in for a surprise except of course the financial impact on the pound.
I hope common sense prevails and the best brains available, no matter what their politics and personal views are, will work together for the transition to get the best for everyone, and no recriminations. The die is cast, we must go with it.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:07:37

Whitewave I meant both. Public and private measures.

Very constructive, skullduggery - not. Shall we just all jump off Beachy Head? We have to act to make sure we survive "on our own" not declare that we are fucked and die in despair.

Lets have some can-do, please.

morethan2 Fri 24-Jun-16 08:11:52

Sorry Elgran I'm not clever enough to know what will happen, or even predict I don't think they'll be sending anyone home though. I thought those who were here legally could stay? Imports may get more expensive but perhaps the goods we sell will be cheaper to export. Will that mean it will be more expensive to buy foreign goods here,?food stuff for example? and there'll be more jobs because our goods will be cheaper abroad. Other than that I don't know.

Luckygirl Fri 24-Jun-16 08:12:28

Well that was not a very positive suggestion for the future Skullduggery! - I don't think this is what Elegran started this thread for!

My answer is that we have to take measured steps to negotiate the withdrawal from the EU and that the EU bods need to have the political nouse to realise that our exit will have galvanised the concerns that people in the other member states have about the way the EU operates. Unfortunately they did not demonstrate that political nouse when Cameron went cap in hand to them to get some concessions immediately before the referendum and came back with virtually nothing. It was badly timed and I was very surprised that they could not see the effect this might have on public opinion in the run-up to the referendum.

We need to find ways of being good neighours but not family. It is also important that those who voted leave for non-atavistic reasons are heard in order not to fuel racist views.

Cameron has been politically illiterate in his handling of this whole issue and in holding a referendum in the first place.

I think there will be a bumpy ride to come in the medium term, and hope that the government was not so complacent that the bookies had it right, that they have not put contingency plans in place.

What I do not want to see is a lot of party political maneuvering in the wake of the vote. Better that they should just get on with their jobs rather than backbiting and point-scoring.

thatbags Fri 24-Jun-16 08:14:51

What we need to do now is wait and see. I'm looking forward to the ride, not for the bumps, but because I feel the excitement of a new path. It's an uncertain path to be sure but it's an adventure too.

There was talk only days ago of dissatisfaction with the EU megalith in other countries. It'll be interesting to observe what hapoens over the water in the coming months and years.

kittylester Fri 24-Jun-16 08:15:05

We should dispense with recriminations, pull together, maybe have an informal coalition and accept that we live in a democracy so lots of us are disappointed with votes a lot of the time. And be kind!

Anniebach Fri 24-Jun-16 08:15:08

Cameron stand down, Boris move into no 10, Gove Into no 11, let them sort out the mess they created,

Anya Fri 24-Jun-16 08:18:34

Elegran I am Anya not Ana!

Who to carry it out? Well Cameron has to lead, but I think it would look as if we're all pulling together if some from the Leave camp (not Farage) were involved too.

Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 08:19:12

Yes, Luckygirl Working together for the good of the country instead of fighting one another for party advantage would get us somewhere. Accepting good ideas from the opposition and the opposition not complaining, "You pinched that from us! Unfair!" if they do, would be a start.

PRINTMISS Fri 24-Jun-16 08:22:38

Well, I think the first thing we do is take a deep breath, and say "Okay, that is the way the vote has gone, and it is what the majority of the people in this country have decided. It was a VOTE" then, we have to try to get some sort of 'togetherness' organised so that we are all on the same side of getting this country back on track. The majority wanted independence, with independence comes responsibility, so we shall in future no longer be able to blame the EU for anything we dislike, although those who wanted to stay in will (because it is human nature) now blame those who voted out for whatever goes wrong, if anything. I agree with annsixty; we need the best brains for the job to give us the best opportunities available for our children and grand-children's sake. It is the future which is at stake here.

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 08:24:18

Three months.