Ok, we are out, what now?

Many people voted with the government whitewave, including many left-wing posters

That is fundamental error # number 1, but don't worry, many of the mistaken and misled voters made the same mistake.
The Referendum was not for or against the government
#number 2 I believe we still have a secret ballot so nobody apart from the person themselves can say with any authority how they voted
#number 3 "left-wing" posters, hmm. How do we feel about that generalisation?
This was not a left/right vote , at least not for those who went into it with the issues in the forefront of their minds.
We have seen too many video clips of disenchanted people who thought it was pro or anti government, pro or anti immigration. Be careful what you wish for.

Andrew Rawnsley

"The leaders of leave have won and by doing so they have shocked the world, unleashed profound economic instability, exploding our relations with our closest allies, toppled a prime minister elected just a year ago and imperilled the unity of the United Kingdom.
As the old saying goes: they broke it now the Brexiters own it. Which may explain as mournful as Cameron was in defeat, Johnson and Gove looked even grimmer in victory."

I voted not to join the EU,I voted not to stay in the EU and I have signed the on-line petition.
I consider the result to be fraudulent based on all parties not correctly informing the electorate of the possible fall out,and I include the banking fraternity.
I would vote out again,as I am not happy with the future outlook for the EU.

However,it concerns me greatly when I see out voters on TV saying they didn,t really realise what they were voting for,or they voted out to save the NHS.

Last night,I re-ran through a few of the TV discussions we have had...QT,the final referendum debate etc...no where did I see the urgency from politicians and political commentators ...could none of them predict this outcome?

Cameron,like him or not ,has jumped ship and left the party to quickly find a new leader,despite promises to steer through the changes.
I hope to goodness,Boris Johnson does not take the helm,his 'victory' speech was from someone who didn,t quite know what he had done.

I remain an out voter,but I think the result should not stand based on an ill informed campaign.

I didn't mean to sound downhearted about the petition Daphne; I do think it is relevant but I think everyone is beginning to realise that the actual outcome is not clear yet. We have a sense of direction but anything could happen.

Thanks for the Oliver Healey link - what a prat (am I allowed to say the)

Have you looked at the map on the petition website?
Most signatures are in cities of London and Westminster.

I only saw Blair saying we have to tackle the housing crisis, and thought what a two-faced ......
What's his housing portfolio now?
How many houses has he bought that could have been bought by first time buyers in the North West?
What is his part in the housing crisis?

Daphne, I like Oliver Healey's facebook page. How dare remain hijack it!!!! He's going off in a sulk.

I fully expect Parliament to ignore the petition, but it's something quite surreal to lighten up these dark days.

Presumably, when the UK finally leaves, every single piece of legislation is going to have to be voted into UK law. What is needed is for a group of MPs (Labour, LibDem, Green, Plaid, SNP plus Conservatives with a conscience) to vote against anything which would reduce UK rights. The big one will be the ECHR, which isn't actually EU law, but leaving the EU means that the UK can leave the ECHR.

Keep signing, keep sharing - the message must get through.

Thanks Daphne - now am I allowed to call him THICK- or not? I can think of a few other choice words too


and now dares complain his petition has been highjacked !!!

Re the petition, I am not sure we can turn back the tide now but it has to be worth trying. It may help if they want to ask for another referendum (can we bear it?) after some of the negotiation has taken place and people see what the consequences might be.

I don't like the idea of calling people "thick" but we certainly have a part of the electorate who are politically unsophisticated and possibly naive.

Blair's interview with Andrew Neil is very insightful.

Many people voted with the government whitewave, including many left-wing posters.

Merryn Somerset Webb (pro-Leave) in yesterday’s FT pointed out that only 37.4% of the electorate voted to Leave. In the 1979 Scottish referendum on devolution, 51.4% of the votes were for devolution - but they didn’t get it because the rule was that 40% of the total electorate had to vote yes. Only 33% voted Yes.

It seems quite wrong to me that a decision with such devastating effects for us all and our children and grandchildren should be based on a minority of the electorate.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/william-oliver-healey-referendum-petition_uk_576f8b28e4b0232d331e1b39

Daphne not sure if I missed it- but do you have a link to the effect it was started by a 'leaver'? Thanks.

William Oliver Healey will be feeling quite sidck now, I should think.
30135000+

Anna Subrey is one of the signatories.

I hope they are listening, because we are in this appalling mess because of autocratic government who refused to listen.

3,010,238

3,008,832

Haha! I wonder what the Leave activist who started it thinks now!

2,995,863 signatures

I doubt it the next government will be in the poo with regards revenue. They won't be able to afford to give away any potential income for jollies

Despite being a remain supporter and appalled that such a major decision should be made on such a small majority. The facts are that Leave won and the rules say that is the way it is going to be.

We have had 24 hours to reel in shock and horror now is the time to put post mortems and recriminations behind us. Face up the future and remainers or leavers we should work together to make sure that leaving the EU is as pain-free as possible.

Personally, I am all for the short sharp shock, beheading rather than a slow garotte, The first is so much more British!!

The French are already saying that the British immigration checks at Calias must go. However one possible good point. Will there be return to really duty free shopping on the channel ferries?

@whitewave

I actually know somebody who is mega-wealthy, very intelligent and definitely not racist, who has a very strong case to leave. Politically, he's a maverick and argues that the UK needs to head in a different direction. Even he admits that the trouble is that we don't have anybody with the vision to lead us in that direction. He reluctantly admitted that he thought we should have stayed in and played a much bigger role to change things and extricate ourselves from the bits the UK didn't like, as we were perfectly within our rights to do so. Never being part of the Euro or Schengen were big concessions to the UK and we could have fought for more, if we'd have wanted.

Oh the irony!

The petition to have a second referendum was actually started by an English Democrat activist, who feared Remain would win.

It's heading for 3 million signatures. It might have been hi-jacked by multiple signatures (for all I know), but Parliament can't legally ignore it.

'colossal cock-up' sums it up. It is just one big sorry mess and it needs to be sorted out quickly.

This is a disaster. I think one lesson from this appalling mess is that you ignore and downtread the working class at your peril.

I hope and pray that someone will have the backbone to stand up and admit a colossal cock-up.
Do they reach courage and humble pie at Eton? I very much doubt it.