Ok, we are out, what now?

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/06/25/no-more-excuses-stand-up-for-immigrants

This man sounds angry.

Donald Trump too.

One of the most horrifying aspects of the whole thing is the way that congratulations have poured in from right- wing extremist groups, including the most violent neo-nazi groups in Europe. Oh, and Vladimir Putin. He thinks it's great that we're out. Don't these reactions make Leave voters stop and think there might be something a tiny bit wrong?

Devorgilla - sorry but DC doesn't have to do jack shit as they say.

I have just spent a couple of minutes on the government petitions page clicking the refresh button every three seconds or so. It is amazing that it is going up approximately 200 every three seconds. And it's nearly midnight!

Granjura, the only person who can take us through this is the one who got us into it in the first place - DC. He will have to take back his resignation and fall on his sword for the good of the nation. He will have to get over there and try to negotiate the best exit deal he can. IMO Merkel will 'facilitate' a deal which leaves us with some dignity - poorer but perhaps an awful lot wiser.
If this is the standard of leadership posh schools like Eton produce give me bog standard comprehensives any day of the week.

I hope I haven't doubled up on this as I am losing what is where slightly with all the threads. It came up on my FB page from a friend's.

Matt Haig - Yesterday at 17:36 ·

No.

Don't call us 'bad losers'. Not today. Because this hurts.

Don't call us bad losers when we have bad winners. Nigel Farage, who said this morning 'We won it without a shot being fired', a mere week after Jo Cox was shot on Farage's most controversial day of the campaign.

Don't call us bad losers when you have Boris Johnson suddenly saying there is 'no rush' to leave the EU, when it was so important to him a day ago. (Yet David Cameron's resignation still seems important to him. Hmmm.)

Don't call us bad losers when you have given fuel to the far right across the continent. Marine Le Penn now has a union jack as her profile pic. We are the pride of fascists everywhere.

(I don't see how expressing our intense dismay on Facebook is equivalent to what many of us feel will result in the fracturing of Europe, the crashing of the economy, an increase in xenophobia and division, and all that comes with that.)

Don't call us bad losers when we have genuine concerns that many of the people who most wanted this foul-named thing called a Brexit - the hurt, the disenfranchised, the unemployed, the vulnerable - have been conned into thinking Farage and Johnson are the anti-establishment voice of the people. (Spoiler alert: they're the voice of power, of money, of self-interest, of themselves.)

Don't call us bad losers. Just call us very worried indeed.

Yes, it is from the Guardian, and it really makes sense. It looks increasingly like Gove and Johnson beat themselves at their own stupid game. They wanted to teach Europe a lesson, and force the EU in giving better terms than DC had managed to get out of them. Never in a month, decade or century of Sundays did they ever think they would win- just get enough to blackmail the EU- but it backfired. No wonder they look so subdued and are in hiding now. *s.

From the guardians comments section:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.,

And it won't be THEM who will pay the main price - will it.

Just read a couple of things.

Westminster MPs might call a further referendum once terms have been negotiated.
These terms will presumably have to go through a sceptical parliament.
The Brexiters have apparently retired stunned, and haven't a clue how to proceed ( that was on TV)

Hope they appear soon. Someone has to take the flack.

2,522,522 signatures

Thank you for the link, alidoll Another report by experts which should have had more publicity a lot earlier on.

One conclusion in it is “The long-term ghastliness of the legal complications is almost unimaginable.” from Sir David Edward KCMG, QC, PC, FRSE, a former Judge of the Court of Justice of the European Union and Professor Emeritus at the School of Law, University of Edinburgh;

'If you dislike the fact a majority voted Leave, enough to hate everyone like some 13 year old boy who has just lost a game of Call of Duty, I recommend you move to North Korea. You will be happier there as they hate democracy and don't vote on anything.'

This was put on facebook by an eighteen year old I know who received a load of abuse for revealing how he voted.

Good Lad!

Well said Petra! Wish I'd been at your champagne party!
I cannot believe the posts on here so full of anger and resentment - the very sentiment they accuse the Leavers of having, apart from the bigotry of course! This is what's called DEMOCRACY, as for a second referendum what happens if the Remains wins by a slight majority will the Leavers instigate another petition for a third referendum??!! You may well be disillusioned, fine, that's your prerogative, but trying to drag everyone else down to the depths of unnecessary despair is not the way forward. Stop throwing your toys out the pram because you lost the vote, it is what it is whether you agree with it or not unless you want to change our democratic country into a dictatorship.

The document is the House of Lords publication "The Process for withdrawing from the European Union" as I can't seem to paste the link on my iPad. Publish per May 2016.

An interesting read so good luck with that exit then...

Here's a wee lifeline Scotland "may" give those in England that wish to remain...

Those leavers really should read this btw. Makes interesting reading....especially about the rise in goods costs..35% for dairy products anyone?

Oh and new passports and driving licenses for all...that'll be a hundred quid at least.

Interesting
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/europe-is-fed-up-it-is-simmering-with-rage-what-now-for-the-eu/

We seem to have a lot of Eastern European immigrants, including families with children, yet our local primary school has places to spare for September and one of the nurseries is having trouble finding enough children to keep open. The hospitals have a lot of immigrant patients but they seem to be mainly Asian families who are at least second generation.

Or the old guy interviewed who said he voted because of immigration. Don't mind the immigrants from the EU, they are no trouble- I voted to keep them Muslims out' WTF indeed???

The current government has been happy to quote "EU regulations" as one of the main reasons why women born in the 1950s are taking the brunt of state pension age equalisation. It's not true, but obviously some will believe the lie. Chickens coming home to roost, sadly.

I heard an old guy on the radio saying he'd voted out because his wife had to wait 6 more years for her pension ....?????WTF????

Thanks Alice16, very interesting a Scottish friend tells me she and her colleagues feel very weary at the thought of another Referendum

This nasty fungus seems to growing. They've already been implicated in the death of one of us
Now they are after innocent workers

Very 1930s crun. It's appalling - the remain leaders have stirred this up and made it seem acceptable.

That is so worrying!

That is horrible. (crun's link)

See! Thick as two short planks. And evil weith it.