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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 25-Jun-16 20:31:25

merlot I did say it would be more interesting if the other side (to my view) won. wink

crun Sat 25-Jun-16 20:25:06

Boris has taken the wind out of the sails of the extremists already:

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/reports-of-no-more-polish-vermin-signs-distributed-in-huntingdon/story-29443411-detail/story.html
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/far-right-demonstrators-take-streets-8281867

whitewave Sat 25-Jun-16 20:17:34

Well they ready know theyve been sold a pup over that one

merlotgran Sat 25-Jun-16 20:17:16

Scissors, Paper, Stone?

Best of Three?

I wonder how many bitter threads would be running on here if Remain had won?

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 25-Jun-16 20:15:16

Just thinking aloud now!

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 25-Jun-16 20:14:57

Perhaps because of immigration, I suppose. Without needy immigrants there would be more in the benefits pot for them.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 25-Jun-16 20:13:46

I can't understand that, about the poor wanting out. What do they think they will gain? And how do they think these benefits would come about?

whitewave Sat 25-Jun-16 20:12:17

ana it wouldn't be the wrong result because this time the correct parameters would be set

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 25-Jun-16 20:11:57

Why would you be included in the "underclass" *petra"? Doesn't it mean the poorly off? Doesn't sound like you! Just because you voted leave doesn't make you one of the ones who voted that way for the wrong reasons.

petra Sat 25-Jun-16 20:07:25

So now as well as being thick, I'm part of the 'underclass'
I looked up the definition
"They are an underclass who lack any stake in popular capitalism and who are caught up in the dependency culture"
I can't relate to that as my OH retired at 53 and me at 55 when we went to live in Portugal. We bought again in another country, came back to uk where we have several properties. Don't call me underclass.

Gracesgran Sat 25-Jun-16 19:45:45

2,172,876

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 25-Jun-16 19:40:57

I can't believe there is any chance of another referendum. We would be a laughing stock.

Ana Sat 25-Jun-16 19:38:06

Hmmm. Clutching at straws?

No, whitewave, I would welcome another referendum if it would put a stop to all this bitter recrimination. But what if it was still the 'wrong' result for those determined not to accept the one we've had already?

Elegran Sat 25-Jun-16 19:31:48

Or rather "The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

Elegran Sat 25-Jun-16 19:30:27

Yup,^The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."^ That was on 17 May.

Do hope you get your wish on this, Nige.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 19:25:56

Go, Nige! grin

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 19:25:14

It's a bit unfair to call Leavers 'underclass', because I really don't think they all fit a stereotype.

I think the problem is that the metropolitan(?) bankers, politicians and business leaders, etc turned a blind eye to the people they were exploiting. I don't think they DID realise there would be payback time.

crun Sat 25-Jun-16 19:24:32

According to Farage we're due another referendum.

MargaretX Sat 25-Jun-16 19:19:56

We of the middle class always knew that one day the working class or the under class would rise up and pay us back for the years and years of neglect. We knew it through the history books and now it has happened. They have voted us OUT of the most advantageous club for free nations that ever existed.
it is unique.

I am glad that I am still IN with my english german family and thats what all the expats think.

whitewave Sat 25-Jun-16 19:11:34

Hmmm. Clutching at straws?

Ana Sat 25-Jun-16 19:05:41

Obviously not with the same email address, daphnedil. That's what I meant by 'opportunities'. Many people have more than one email address and/or can use those of friends or relatives. Just saying.

whitewave Sat 25-Jun-16 19:04:24

Where is practical?

Busy on the Express?

whitewave Sat 25-Jun-16 19:03:11

Everyone I know who voted out did so because of immigration

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 19:01:22

You can't double sign - at least not with the same email address. I forgot I'd signed, so signed again and was told I couldn't.

I don't think it's odd. It's gone viral and there an awful lot of people who feel as some of us on GN do.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 18:59:37

I agree with you, Jalima, although immigration was a subliminal message.

The Remain campaigners did an abysmal job of educating people about the amount of control the EU actually exercises. I did my best when some posters (what's happened to practical?) came up with ridiculous links, but I was made to think I was talking down to people. (I guess I can't help it after all those years as a teacher hmm)