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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

Ana Sat 25-Jun-16 18:57:17

How odd! Or is it, given the opportunities available to double or even treble sign...

Elegran Sat 25-Jun-16 18:54:36

2,062,028 That is more than 4.5% of the number of people on the electoral roll (which was 44,722,000 in 2015).

So a larger percentage of potential voters think that the design of the referendum was flawed than the 4% (4% of those who actually did vote) by which leave exceeded remain 52/48.

Jalima Sat 25-Jun-16 18:51:04

All I have heard from people who voted out is that they don't want to be 'ruled by the EU'
I haven't heard anyone mention immigration.

I signed it (I think I linked it on another thread and it was over 895,000 then).

Jalima Sat 25-Jun-16 18:49:55

All Ive ever heard from locals is that they want to vote 'out' to stop immigrants from taking over, nothing else, no reasoned argument just immigration which has been played up to by the 'out' brigade, we have all been manipulated.
I don't know what they think immigrants are taking over unless it is working in the muddy fields, the poly tunnels, the NHS, cleaning cars, working in the hospitality industry (with a smile in the main!) etc.

There is no reasoned argument unless they have applied for any of these jobs and been turned down in favour of someone from the EU.
You're right ethel, people have been manipulated.

Leticia Sat 25-Jun-16 18:48:12

I have signed it.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 18:48:09

Agree with both of you. The pre-referendum debates reminded me of those interviews for beauty contests or something from Blind Date. How sad that something so important turned into a voxpop media event.

Jalima Sat 25-Jun-16 18:45:24

This was too big a decision to be treated like a vote on Strictly

Alea how true, and I think, according to some links which I posted on another thread (don't ask me which, it could even have been this one!) that is how some people who were subsequently interviewed were treating it.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 18:35:23

2,030,523

I reckon it's getting about 4000 signatures a minute.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 18:34:42

Voilà!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Gracesgran Sat 25-Jun-16 18:33:20

2,026,004

lujaha Sat 25-Jun-16 18:32:35

I have signed the petition for another referendum. If that is unsuccessful I can say that I am glad to have moved to Scotland this year and hope that Scotland votes to separate from England and stay in the EU.
It is not "Britain" any more but England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland. So BRexit (such an unpleasant word) is inappropriate. England voted out, Wales also, not the others.
This country is not "Great" anymore but has been brought down by ill-informed people who have not bothered to do their research before voting.I am ashamed of the people who voted out in the country and saddened by the subsequent disastrous events.

Wheniwasyourage Sat 25-Jun-16 18:32:18

2,015,708 now, so even bigger - who says size isn't everything? shock . I did swither about signing it, as it seems a bit late, and I don't suppose it will do any good, but then as the Leave lot were not playing by the rules, I don't see why I shouldn't sign. Thanks for the link, everyone who put it on. I would add it again, but can never get these things to work. Just off to click the link in my email.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 17:48:02

"Has there ever been such a big one?"

shock whitewave

I assume you're referring to the petition!

petra Sat 25-Jun-16 17:46:26

Roses I'm quiet because I'm recovering from a Champagne induced hangover. We decided to throw a party last night when we saw some of shares had gone up.

whitewave Sat 25-Jun-16 17:46:11

Has there ever been such a big one?

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 17:45:54

They have, Ana. That's why this petition was started.

1,921,434

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 17:44:04

The petition has 1,916,755 signatures, so not far off 2 million.

shoreham55 Sat 25-Jun-16 17:33:00

how legitimate is a referendum when more people have already petitioned parliament to think again than those constituting the slender majority for brexit? Or when so many wanting to remain are the ones taking over and outliving us within the next 10-20 years.
other countries do not use simple majorities in referendums : a two thirds majority is needed to underpin the legitimacy of the vote.
and already citizens across Europe are asking for reforms...ones our young people could help shape ( www.spinelligroup.eu) ...in a citizens convention.

Ana Sat 25-Jun-16 17:10:08

Well of course he hasn't mentioned it again - it's up to the Remain lot to do so if they wish...confused

Bluecat Sat 25-Jun-16 17:08:18

Farage did say that, if it was something like a 48%-52% vote in favour of Remain, the matter would not be ended. Unsurprisingly, he has not mentioned it again, though his prediction of the vote was uncannily accurate - not just in the way he thought it might be.

I don't blame the young for blaming the old, as our generation has been largely responsible for the result but they are the ones likely to suffer the most. For a start, many of us are retired or close to retirement, but they face working lives where their rights are likely to be greatly reduced. So many of the laws protecting worker's right - such as the protection of vulnerable groups such as agency workers, for a start - derive from EU laws. Given that we are likely to get an even more rightwing government, boosted by their Leave victory, those laws will probably be the first to go.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 17:07:58

1,837,929 Wow!

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 17:07:28

Then Dave could sail off into the sunset to Lanzarote with a clearer conscience.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 17:06:11

1,833,241 Looks like it will be 2 million by the end of the day.

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 17:04:47

The petition has (at time of writing) 1,825,256 signatures. If Dodgy Dave wants to salvage anything of his reputation, he could come up with some line about 'doing what the people want' (and Mr Farage has already suggested wink) and hold a second referendum. Somehow I doubt if he's got the guts to do it.

Nandalot Sat 25-Jun-16 17:04:37

Just been lurking on Mumsnet. Couple of OPs there regretted their leave vote and feeling they've been lied to by the Leave camp and/or were not given enough information by the Remain camp. How many others feel that if the vote was today, they would vote differentl?