Ok, we are out, what now?

I think roses that people on here, whatever their vote, are somewhat shocked at the speed at which things have panned out. And also how quickly the Brexit leaders have backtracked on what they were saying.

As for all this petition for a second referendum, the EU commissioner who has just resigned said it all really: what has been done cannot be undone. The message has been given by the people of UK (well half of those that bothered to vote anyway). The EU leaders are not happy bunnies. They are talking swift exit.

What we need now is a strong leadership to get the UK through this next very complex and volatile period. Who that will be or how it will be carried forward is anybody's guess. Hopefully Boris and Michael are busy working this out which is why they are not high profile. Looking forward to seeing their plan of action and the timeline.

Me? I can use my dual nationality to remain an EU citizen

Okay, it was won on lots of lies.

Go on then, roses, clear off again.

You can't possibly know that, whitewave. People had different reasons for voting to leave.

But the referendum was won on a lie. Wouldn't be so bad if it has been run with honesty and integrity.

Apparently, Nigel Farage said he would ask for one if a Remain vote won by just 4 p%.

We who voted Leave ( on this forum) are happy with the result, but are simply sick to death of all the anger, intolerance for others views and vitriol from some posters and have now turned our back on these threads.we have no need to 'justify' and argue endlessly, it was a fair vote and you will all have to accept it ( in the end.)I have only popped up here to say this as there is a sneery 'where are the Brexiters' tone going on
Would anyone be demanding a second referendum if the Remain vote had won the day?No, didn't think so.

Didn't someone say ages ago that it would never get past the House of Lords?

I think it is the Westminster (i.e. UK parliament) that has the final decision about any independence referendums in countries within the UK.

Sorry that I repeated information about the petition. This is such a long thread and I had not read every page. Anyway, it is now 1,706,133.

It seems to be gaining momentum

As I type, the petition for a second referendum is rapidly gaining momentum. Now 1,651,490. If you feel unhappy about the result of the first referendum you have nothing to lose by signing the petition! Now 1,655,817!

Here is a link to answer your question about a second Scottish referendum luluaugust. fullfact.org/scotland/ask-full-fact-who-paying-scottish-referendum. The petition you referred to Lazigirl is for a second referendum regarding the UK's membership of the EU. petition.parliament.uk. (If the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.)

Thanks for that, granjura.
Hope it's on facebook.

Over one and a half million signed petition so far.

I think Article 50 will have to be enacted it is the wishes of a free and Democratic people... apparently. Who will pay if the Scots decide to have another Referendum?

Thanks Cold. You are so right. Leaving the EU is going to be far, far more expensive to the country than remaining. Why oh why did people not take more notice of your 6 points before they voted?

I'm game

Now What?
I suggest we use this wonderful website to organise a March on Parliament demanding they not go ahead with the exit from the EU.

It looks like us over 60's have let down the younger generation who want to stay and will be around to stay and many have listed to the lies of the Brexit who miss led some of us.

Billions of pounds of public money will have to be diverted into the administrative consequences of Britain leaving:
1. Trade talks will take years as all deals with EU and non-EU will have to be renegotiated
2. all EU laws will have to be reviewed to decide which laws and rights to keep/abolish
3. New systems for funding for example agriculture, fishing, desprived areas, Universities' scientific and medical research that has previously come from the EU - or perhaps these will be lost
4. all UK citizens will need to buy a new passport and driving licence as they are no longer entitled to EU ones
5. Massive amounts to be spent on immigration administration to set up border controls, points systems and deal with the applications for passports and residence permits - cannot rely on EU policies anymore
6. need to buy visas and additional insurance for holidays abroad

Many young people have taken for granted their rights to live and work in EU countries of study abraod with ERASMUS etc - these rights will obviously be lost or become a lot more bureaucratic.

Loss of jobs and loss of major investment in UK - financial services, science and medical research likely to move as will "gateway manufacturing" - ie companies that set up factories in the UK so that it becomes a "made in the EU product". Probably decline in business until the Brexit details are known

The UK may need to make arrangements for returning ex-pats who cannot afford to live without access to healthcare etc

What now? Well for a start, where are Johnson, Gove, Fox and Farage - they made themselves very visible and vocal before the vote with their false promises. Nicola Sturgeon seems to be the only person in control and making a positive effort to get things moving. Here's hoping that everybody who voted Leave with such enthusiasm (and lack of any vision as to the dire consequences of their action) will now support with equal enthusiasm whoever is in charge of steering this rapidly sinking ship.

You wish

I think this country will be on its uppers before we get the chance to vote them out

If they listened to everything we did then they wouldn't have believed the lies and we wouldn't be in this mess

Dear Brexiteer. What we need you to do now.
Posted on June 24, 2016by frpip

So well done, first of all. You listened to the arguments, the same ones I listened to. You heard all the same information I did, you listened to the same debates that I did, but you voted to leave. And you won. I take that – it was a democratic process and sometimes in the democratic process you lose, as I have done.

The referendum has activated the political energies of people who haven’t been interested in politics for some time, so we are told, and many of them are like you, who voted to leave. So here’s the plea of the losing side to you now.

Firstly, don’t stop – don’t stop with your political passion and activism, because we need you now. We need you to be active, we need you to keep talking to the people who you trusted with this vote, and we need you to hold their feet to the fire. There will be a General election in 2020, if not before, and by then, you will know whether their promises are good or not. So make it clear to them that you are watching to see if they were telling the truth or not.

If you voted leave because of all the money which will now go to the NHS, make sure it does. If it doesn’t vote them out, because they lied to you.

If you voted leave because of all the immigration, and it turns out that the deals that they do mean immigration will not go down, then vote them out, because they lied to you.

If you voted leave because of all the Brussels Bureaucracy, and it turns our companies still have to conform with all brussels bureaucracy in order to be part of a trade agreement, then vote them out, because they lied to you.

If you voted leave because you were reassured that the economy would be as good as or better than it is now, and it turns out that the pound has fallen, and businesses have left, and people have lost their jobs, then vote them out, because they lied to you.

If you find your rights – maternity and paternity leave, breaks at work, sick pay, health and social benefits – are taken away, when we were told they would not, then vote them out, because they lied to you.

My feeling is that the issues will remain. Immigration will not go down, mainly because we don’t train people in this country, we import them, which creates an underclass of white working class and second and third generation immigrants who aren’t trained or educated for work. With fewer workers rights, that’s only going to increase, rather than diminish.

So please, if you find that they lied to you, vote them out. And vote for the people who will tell you uncomfortable, complicated truths, rather than easy, simple lies.