Ok, we are out, what now?

Thank you durhamjen. Very worth reading the article and following the link to Paul Mason.

Universities and research labs exchange information of course (usually) Sally but this is not the same as working together which involves spending a lot of money - which at the moment is funded by the EU.

I'm also thinking at the moment that the notification invoking article 50 will never be sent if only because most MPs don't want Brexit.

I am not hanging my head in shame and I think suggesting that I should is below the belt and unworthy of the people suggesting it. People who voted for Brexit had good reasons from their points of view. I don't know why I'm saying this because some people will just carry on being nasty about it. I can appreciate the Remain side; I just don't happen to agree with it. How about a bit of tolerance back, folks?

Elsewhere I've seen the argument that the EU will implode like the Soviet Union within twenty or thirty years if it carries on as it is doing.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/25/a-coalition-in-the-national-interest/

This could be where we go from here, sally.

The problems with the rich/poor divide and housing market in the uk are very complicated, and London and the South-east are out of synch with the rest of the country. However, is it not possible for something to be done to curb investment buying by foreigners?

I think the rest of the country has lost sympathy with the idea that anything which adds to the wealth of the City is a 'good' thing. Whatever happened to the trickle-down effect.

However, Elegran's original post, asked where do we go from here and that seems to have got a bit lost.

There's been a lot of talk about the impact on the decision on the young, our children and grandchildren, and whether we are inners or outers, we have a responsibility towards them. Let's hope the bickering will cease and we can move forward quickly to plan for the future, look to expand our markets worldwide, look to improve things for those of our people who have not benefitted from increased prosperity and improve the prospects of all of our children.

Personally, I think an early election, followed by a moderate labour or even a coalition government might be able to secure the best future. "Pie in the Sky"? Our net contribution to the eu is £8.5 bullion annually. That's a huge resource to put into the necessary steps to make us a united not divided nation.

Well someone has to. Although perhaps we never do and toddle along as is

It would be political suicide to do so if the economy is plummeting and jobs particularly In the city are threatened. I can't see BJ or Gove pressing the button.

Yes, interesting article, isn't it, Wilma.
The problem is now do we or do we not want him to invoke article 50?

From Jackofkent's article:

'...it is entirely a matter for the Member State to choose whether to make the notification and, if so, when.'

The use of the term 'whether' seems to indicate that the government could choose not to act on the result of the referendum.

And...

'As long as the notification is not sent, the UK remains part of the EU.

And there is currently no reason or evidence to believe that, regardless of the referendum result, the notification will be sent at all.'

Is this too much to hope for?

If the numbers signing the petition are anything to go by there is a groundswell of feeling urging people to think again. It will now be debated in the House as there are in excess of 1,000,000 signatures and it only required 10,000.

I live in Hertfordshire and moved here from the east midlands about ten years ago. At that time, access and GP services were better here than they were where I had moved from. I can't make a comparison now but access is definitely not as good as it was. However, the shortage of GPs is not caused by the eu nor can it be solved by the eu. The problem is much more complicated and in part due to the restriction on places for medical students (there is no shortage of applicants) and to the fact that, historically, when it became clear that more women than men were entering the profession no-one planned for the inevitable reduction in available doctor hours. We should be training more.

However, in the meantime, without the free movement of labour, we will be free to recruit from round the world (including Europe) and will have the capacity to recruit more skilled migrants. The same goes for the universities. Universities have always shared knowledge and expertise internationally and I can't see that ending.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/25/a-coalition-in-the-national-interest/

This is what should happen next according to Richard Murphy, and Paul Mason.

dj interesting blog link, but it's really only his opinion that they may not activate it. Watch this space - or article 50 notification! Oh dear, we have Outers coming round to eat this evening.........

Hanging their heads in shame? Hiding? They should be.

We will have to decide something quick as watching the news the EU is in no mood to hang around. They seem very cross.

Where are the Brexiters?????????

Boris should do the honourable thing and resign. The campaign spearheaded by him was built on lies and deceit. It has appeared somewhere this morning that Gisela Stuart didn't actually tell the lie. No but she aligned herself alongside those who did. Guilty by assocation in my view. Did she bring pressure to bear to make them tell the truth?

dj I understood the article and I'm sure lawyers are beavering away behind the scenes to work out what our options are. I live in hope as the eternal optimist.

ww my mind is overflowing with information about the EU to the point of not being able to remember what is fact and what is opinion.

This will sound like total overkill, but right now it feels to me like invoking Article 50 is like pressing the big red button.

"In my view, if the Article 50 notification was not sent yesterday – the very day after the Leave result – there is a strong chance it will never be sent.

If this view is wrong, it remains the case that those with a sincere interest in the issue of UK’s membership – whether Remainers or Leavers – should keep their eyes on the Article 50 notification, regardless of noise and bluster and excuses.

As long as the notification is not sent, the UK remains part of the EU.

And there is currently no reason or evidence to believe that, regardless of the referendum result, the notification will be sent at all."

From the JackofKent blog. He's a lawyer, by the way. Do we trust experts?

Lord Hill, the UK's European Commissioner has just stood down saying "what is done cannot be undone".

The end of that article is very important.

Of course there could be the thought that article isn't being triggered because once it is that's it. Maybe just maybe they are having second thoughts. I don't mean Farage he doesn't count.

jackofkent.com/2016/06/why-the-article-50-notification-is-important/

Thanks wot.

Granjura - because I live in the Swiss/French mountains chain called 'Le Jura' - very close to where I was born and bred.

Yes wilma that's right. But we said that before the vote and were accused of scaremongering remember?

Good on you, Grandura!