Ok, we are out, what now?

I so agree with you Bluecat.

It's all very well for people to say we've got to work together, make the best of things, and so on...but how are we going to do that? If mortgages go up, how can we do anything about it? If property values fall, what can we do? If petrol prices rise, causing everything else to cost more, how do we make the best of that? If people lose their jobs, how are we supposed to work together to make things better?

The fact is, we've shot ourselves in the foot and there's nothing we can do about it, whether we decide to put on a cheery grin and pledge to "all pull together" or just sit and feel miserable (that's me, at the moment!) Worst of all, it's our generation's fault. It's us oldies, not the youngsters, who have swung the vote in favour of Leave. Makes me feel sad for my country and ashamed for my generation.

durhamjen "They do not want the eu to disintegrate any further" I'm afraid they might not have a choice if Marine Le Pen wins the French general election next year.

Ellenemery, that's ridiculous. The remaining countries are the EU. We are not any more. They do not want the EU to disintegrate any further and I do not blame them.
If we didn't want them to do that, we should have stayed.
You can't leave a party and then complain that everyone is talking about you behind your back - or to your face in this case.

I keep saying this but who says "ellenemery"? Has this diktat come down from on high of has someone elected you to tell those who think we have just made a huge mistake that they may not say this. You are, of course totally at liberty to say but do not expect another grown adult to do as you tell them.

Why does anyone think those who were so strongly for remain as now going to say - "Oh all right then this is fine"? It is not going to happen; certainly not today.

I have just seen one of the politicians from "Leave" saying they have to take into consideration the feelings of the large number of people who did not want this. Sensible and thoughtful man.

What now? Well the Bank of England spent 250 billion today to stop the pound falling like a stone - that's 24 years of EU contributions in one day! So I don't expect all those promised funds to match the ends of EU subsidies to farmers and poorer parts of the UK soon or a new hospital a day. I have a two friends who work in EU projects training disabled people and unemployed low skill youngsters - one was due to sign an EU deal to train 10,000 adults in the West Midlands tomorrow. Billions have been wiped off people's pension finds, another friend whose life savings are in stock market saving products is in tears. So I suppose the only thing I can say in this sorry mess is at least Farage will lose his job as an MEP and I wish my neighbour who works for an EU company in the UK the best of luck as they were warned they may relocate it in the event of Brexit. My daughter who is trying to move house as she has rrlocated her job had the other side pull put of the deal and she is in tears too, also her husband is a Scot and she us worried about the break up of the UK. And people expect me to behave as some sort of good loser - sorry it is going to take a while to grieve. The final straw was the leaders of Leave explaining that immigration won't necessarily fall any time soon.

Considering a move to Edinburgh!- lovely city. Not much of a practical scheme for the whole of England though.

I personally love being a multi-cultural society, but the government need to address all the immigration concerns, by starting discussions about introducing a fair and just points system like those used by Canada and Australia.

I think we now have to all pull together and stop all the bickering. We need to make this work whether we voted in or out for the sake of everyone. Unfortunately if David Cameron had had a little more backbone and stood up to the EU earlier we would not have this problem now. The EU thought we were an easy touch.

I see from the evening news that the remaining countries are already ganging together to make sure we go as soon as possible. They are not happy with our democratic right to vote in a way they do not like. They are saying we are not going to get any easy time from them. Well nothing changes there does it.

My lips are sealed!

Very passive aggressive Kittye You are, of course entitled to put forward an opinion but there is no entitlement for anyone that people agree with a proffered opinion nor are you "entitled" to instruct, although no one can stop you doing it - but expect people to say no. Instructions are rather different to putting forward an opinion in my view.

gracesgran sorry thought I was entitled to an opinion too..my mistake! I'm afraid it's you who sounds like a prefect. I'll just keep my big "gob" shut and let you worry yourself silly

POGS, not a fact, but as near one as can be. Remember in all walks of life especially science and factually based activities we work on approximations and what we believe to be true. The existence of many sub-atomic particles was predicted and much research done on the assumption that they exist long before their existence became a provable fact.

Why would they be lying? I dont understand.

We are not that tiny by population. 22nd largest.

Looking backwards - it is beginning to feel a bit like that.

Inwards - yes and no. Yes, some are. But also, Britan has 65 million people. I think there are multiple millions that are not.

What's a deprain? Romanians have been allowed here for nearly ten years. The leave brigade said today that EU citizens living in the UK are welcome to stay. Of course, they are lying.

They are, Phoebes. That's what the Le Touquet reorganisation is about. Why should France have UK borders? We lost Calais centuries ago.

GrandmaMoira, see my post of 13.02pm

trisher - it will take time

Dandibelle - quite.

Too much to ask. The best of what? A tiny little closed off nation looking inwards and backwards.

Original post - cloud cuckoo land.

Boaty Mac Boatface all over again! You can't trust the general public to make a sensible decision. The result is so close it's going to be hard to govern this country. I can hear the French planning to demolish the Jungle already and not stop any illegal immigrants getting across to the UK. I think the immigration problem will become worse not better and with immigrants from non-European countries, not the generally productive Europeans. What incentive is there now for European countries to stop illegal immigrants from heading for the UK? Most of the European immigrants are educated and work hard to contribute a lot to this country, while a great many immigrants from other continents are attracted by the prospect of free benefits for all and streets paved with gold! They tend on the whole, to be less well educated. We need to toughen up our immigration policies and strengthen our borders and only allow in people who already have jobs to go to and throw out anyone who is a deprain on the economy like the Romanian beggars in London.

I really doesn't matter what your sentiments are Jalima and Kittye. If people want to moan they will do so. Who appointed you both as prefects because that is what this is sounding like? Do leave everyone alone to moan or not moan and it will pass as we start to talk about the reality of what happens in in the days to come.

I do think that calm is needed. It will all shake down in time.

The EU had strayed too far from its original brief as the Common Market, and Britain is not alone in having been disturbed by the increasing micromanagement of members' legal systems and economies. That was never what it was meant to be about; and inevitably the larger countries like Germany have the biggest say. Nor was it meant to expand to 28 countries which is totally unwieldy and unmanageable - and more countries waiting in the wings bringing their own troubles to contend with would have made it even less manageable.

I am sure that the EU has taken a message away from this and that may in the long run be to the benefit of the member countries. They will also be fully aware how close the vote was here - too close to be legitimate in my opinion.

We just have to get on with it,all this moaning doesn't help at all. I voted remain mainly for my children and grandchildren. Let's just make the best of things
My sentiments too kittye

That was the Bristol result (posts in between)

62% Remain 38% Leave
if anyone was in the least bit interested

which is nearer to what I predicted than the actual result was!!

Got to page 5 of the messages and couldn't bear to read anymore "doom and gloom" messages. We just have to get on with it,all this moaning doesn't help at all. I voted remain mainly for my children and grandchildren. Let's just make the best of things