Ok, we are out, what now?

Just seen this posted by a friend on Facebook

"So that’s it then. The sun has risen but the darkness falls. The nightmare has happened. The nightmare is here. Two Unions lie broken. Last night England broke the Union, and chose for us. Chose to take us into the dark forest, chose to take us off the path we wanted to travel. England and Wales have voted to leave the EU and Scotland has voted to remain. Every single council area voted to remain. The union is divided but Scotland is united, and here we are again, sitting at the back of a bus that’s being driven to a destination that we’ve said we don’t want to go to. We cling on as we drive off a cliff. We shout from the back seat but no one listens. We hold our heads in our hands and we weep in frustration. That’s the best of both better together worlds. That’s the price of Union. That’s the cost of selling our souls. It can’t go on. Wind the clock. Set the alarm. Waken."

No, but the Brexiters would.

This makes an interesting picture from a major Italian newspaper:

www.corriere.it/infografiche/infografiche.shtml?pagina=/infografiche/2016/06/mappa-brexit&larg=100%25&alt=823

Home rule for London.

Morgan Stanly are moving 2,000 jobs from London to Ireland

Here's a joyous commentary on how the referendum - according to the Daily Express - appears to have been hijacked by Scotland's First Minister:

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682996/Scotland-independence-referendum-Nicola-Sturgeon-Brexit-UK-EU

It appears the Brexiteers were not able to work out that - given the terms of settlement after the last Scottish referendum - the consequence of an EU leave success could inevitably lead to the break up of the "United Kingdom".

It also appears that the myth peddling continues in the extremist media.

Sad.

I think this is what we need.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/24/the-political-vision-that-we-need-to-manage-brexit/

Somehow, I do not think we will get it.

To reinterate. Would the remainers be calling for another referendum under different rules, if the result had been the other way round? almost certainly not! What's worse, what if another referendum gave the same result?! Mind you it would be difficult, but you could always disinfranchaisse those pesky ignorant uneducated peasants to ensure a cast victory!

The vote would never have been valid whichever way it went - it was obvious that it would be very close and that does not seem to be a satisfactory mandate either way.

I do feel angry - but not about the result, as it seemed inevitable after DC's failure to get results from his negotiations, but because the referendum happened at all. It was undemocratic from its inception and started for the wrong reasons.

I was angry about the scaremongering that came from both sides - and is still coming. I do not think we are heading for a third world war and I think that the reasonableness of most human beings will prevail. The European continent will still be full of our neighbours.

DC and his mates have only themselves to blame. They studiously ignored the concerns of people in Britain about immigration, dismissed it as right wing racism, when of course some of it was simply about people being afraid - and when people are afraid they need reassurance, not dismissing.

I have always been fascinated by the total inability of national leaders to take psychology into account.

The petition was only started today. It lasts as long as it does because they are on for six months.

Daphne's link works. The reason it is taking so long is because they are having over 14,000 an hour. That does not normally happen.

Some good thoughts. Messages from other coutries.

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Hey! (knocks together a few heads) This is a thread for CONSTRUCTIVE POSTS not digs.

Daphnedil

Again I say to you I answered the OP with my thoughts.

daphnedill

I'll take that as a compliment to my somewhat questionable literary genius.

*Puts 'Chamberlain' hat on... and does running man dance

Seriously though.. stats aren't going to change a thing are they, and we aren't going anywhere except round in circles.

petra,

Maybe you'd like to have the uneducated morons (your words) governing you.

Hattie,

How will the UK prosper? Maybe you have an answer. Nobody else seems to.

75% of 18-24 year olds voted Remain, so it wasn't a small number. I think they have every right to feel angry.

Nonnie,

That's what Chamberlain would have said if the word 'chillax' had been around.

Breeze your post was very encouraging and upbeat I am worried about our future but I think we all need to pull together now no point young ones blaming us I know some young ones who voted leave and some pensioners who voted stay my hubby lost a lot of his pension pot years ago so it's always happened I think we will have a rocky road to travel for several years but we are strong

POGS

You still haven't said how leaving the EU will make people's lives better. I thought that was the idea of it all. I'll stop feeling angry when somebody comes up with an answer which convinces me it was worth it.

The best thing is to keep calm and see what happens in the next few weeks. It will take two years anyway to be sorted out we can only hope that our children and grandchildren don't suffer for this situation. I voted to stay in but the vote is to leave so we must respect that.

My abusive language was not to a person but to a system.

Stop the practice of name calling and abusive language to one another.

Deal in facts not propaganda or spin.

Accept a democratic vote took place and it should be adhered to irrespective of whether or not it was the choice of you, I or anybody else.

It is a time for forward thinking 'progressive' politics and
dialogue, not hatred and throwing abuse at one another.

The EU and the UK parliaments should not look inward with an attitude of revenge but look outward and understand the need for calm, reflective dialogue that maintains harmony, security and above all does not damage the people of all the countries who are now looking for maturity from our poltical elite.

Stop project fear.

Truth is folks that nobody really knows and the rhetoric flying about is similar to the stuff we heard before we voted.

I think we need to chillax a bit.

Thank you, Obieone, for the hug. I wish I shared your optimism about the future. I fear that it is going to be very bleak, particularly for the young.

I would like to think that the bad things we are seeing now - the falling value of the pound, the fact that we are no longer the 5th strongest economy, the downgrading of the UK's credit rating and the prediction that property values will start falling by at least 15% - were only temporary. However, I think it is more likely that the economy will suffer even more when the loss of EU markets begins to hit UK companies.

What worries me most, though, is that we may have started a domino effect. The fact that far-right organisations throughout Europe have congratulated us and called for referendums in their own countries is quite terrifying. I don't want to see a Europe where everyone retreats back behind their national borders, influenced by xenophobic propaganda from the far-right. Welcome back, 1939!

Oh, dear. You're right, I do need a hug...

Your life will also be in for a helluva dip too Obieone. Just wait and see what a whirlwind the brexiters have sown.