Ok, we are out, what now?

Well said breeze.

Until article 50 is instigated the EU will not negotiate.
Did all those who voted to leave know that it will be 2020 before we see the extra money for the NHS? Chris Grayling has just said so.

I think the vote will trigger Indyref 2 in Scotland which had a 62% remain vote. That vote for independence may have a different outcome this time....not in some Braveheart 'Freedom' way, but a lot of people may now support Scottish independence in order to remain within the EU for the trading benefits. It will certainly make me think again.

breeze,

That post is pure guesswork.

There is absolutely no evidence that the pound will bounce back. The Bank of England has just announced £250bn of quantitative easing. We haven't even paid off the QE from 2008. Mar Carney has said he's prepared to provide another £600bn to ensure liquididty, which none of us will see paid off in our lifetime. I don't call that recovery! And for what?

They will not need soldiers to send EU citizens back to the EU. Many of them feel unwanted so will leave gladly.

Shall try to do as you ask, as good positive thread. The best way forward. The markets always react in such a way, the pound will bounce back. We have been through a world recession, not just a UK recession and we’re now seeing growth. That will continue. The immigrants who work here will continue to work here, doing their jobs well, largely unaffected by our EU exit. Soldiers won’t be marching into hospitals or onto farms, clapping them in irons and loading them onto planes as some seem to think. Immigration can now be controlled, in a way where overloading our NHS/schools/hospitals/benefits system can be considered with compassion but also common sense. We will not have immigration number imposed on us by Brussels. We are still members of NATO. We can still import/export. We can still travel. We can still work with EU, just not be governed by them. We can make our own laws. Laws relevant to our own country and the people who live here. Laws that can be passed quickly if necessary and not snagged up for years in EU red tape. And lastly, whoever governs out country, Tory or Labour, can now do just that. Govern out country. Without one arm held up his/her back by someone in Brussels. By the time the effects of this take plus, 2 years plus, depending upon when D. Cameron instigates it, there will be a new Conservative leader governing this country. And it seems, a new Labour one from the backlash J.Corbyn is receiving due to his pacifist stance. Both good things. Hope that’s positive for you Elegran.

Johnson getting a lot of boos. He has shot off in a car without making a statement.

Alea, totally agree with your comments (every cloud ...)

what a bloody mess as WW said on another thread. The people who voted OUT are probably the ones who will lose the most...

Difficult to feel positive at all at the moment. I'm trying to avoid the schadenfreude induced by the thought of the Dover residents who voted for out having to deal with the French abandoning the Jungle fences, but I know it is wicked to think that. Also, if the Brits were stupid enough to vote this way I can no longer take comfort from the thought that the Americans wouldn't be stupid enough to elect Trump.

Ah, that's better. Try to think positive, as we are where we are. Theresa May would certainly be better and more steadying than Boris, the sinister buffoon or Gove, the snake. I agree that the markets will steady sooner or later, and hope that Mark Carney can help. as he seems a calm, sensible person, and we certainly need as many of those as we can get.

Have just seen a thread on this further down.

Jo Cox

I was shocked by the result. There has been a lot of knee-jerk voting I fear.

I now have no choice anymore so I am hoping for a strong replacement of David C and Armstrong. A lot hangs on that choice. I hope they don't go for the obvious choices. Theresa May would be good as an interim, she can be tough when she needs to be but has little charisma. This is sadly needed in these days of 24 hour news. Gove has a big No and so does Boris as they do not represent any of us. I hold out hope for a bright backbencher with energy and flair. A No Cox type.perhaps.

Strength of caricature? Is that a Boris special?

Elegran I applaud your intention with this thread along the lines of, 'what can't be changed must be endured'. This vote has divided the country in many ways and I think there are steps that need to be taken quickly to ensure that those people who are now feeling disenfranchised don't turn their backs on future political engagement. My Twitter and Facebook feeds are full of young people 'blaming' us oldies for voting for an outcome that will directly affect their futures - a future they appear to have overwhelmingly voted against. Government needs to address their concerns and encourage our young people to maintain a political presence. In my view this would be a really good time for Proportional Representation to be put back on the table - right now almost 50% of people who voted feel disenfranchised and I fear for the effects of this on future voting.

theconversation.com/britain-votes-to-leave-the-eu-cameron-quits-heres-what-happens-next-61420

This is what happens next, in real life. Mind it is written by an expert.

I don't see how he could have negotiated our withdrawal as he lost the vote. Lord knows who we will get now though. I think we should all join the Tory party so we have a vote.

I hope any negotiating is done by a cross-party group so there will be fewer arguments about how it is handled.

I have read through all the above and there is unfortunately a strong collection of NO HOPERS. For hundreds of years England & Wales stood alone and were a strong trading nation, and then Scotland gave us their King and the Union was formed and we were stronger still. With strength of caricature and determination to innovate and trade from our industries and strong Government leadership. WE CAN DO IT still. Don't give, up hang in there. It only takes Blood, Sweat, Toil, and a few tears. For there are NO FREE LUNCHES!

Banking Staff being told that they will have to relocate to Europe

I'm off to get some breakfast and do other things that have been neglected. I'll leave you lot to run the country while I'm gone. Do try to remember to be constructive, not negative.

That's why at the absolute least Farage has to be kept out.

Lessons from history are that political and economic change leads to extremism. When the leave campaign started to concentrate on migrants and immigration it became scarily obvious that this is what would happen.

@Elegran

I'm sure you can advise him/her. Hopefully those who supported Leave knew what they wanted - well, they did, didn't they?

Well said, Alea!

In all honesty, political insiders have been saying Cameron has been under pressure from his back-benchers for a while. He gambled and he lost. Let's hope we all don't drown in IDS's crocodile tears!

Well, he has had his fifteen minutes at the helm. He can disembark, bugger off, and let someone else steer the ship. Question is, who? And what will be his/her first moves? Left hand down a bit?

Yes the ordinary man has given the establishment a kick in the teeth bu it was the wrong fight. In the end they will be the losers.