Ok, we are out, what now?

I'm going to carry on moaning as well. I didn't vote for this situation, I wasn't taken in by the spin and the lies, so I'm damned if I am going to join the fight now. Them what wanted it can sort it out!

Neither am I and I'm not going to stop believing in the values which led to me my voting for Remain.

Well, I'm not going to apologise for being a moaning whinger now that Project Fear is becoming Project Reality.....

I'm terribly sorry for obviously upsetting you Balini: I clearly misunderstood the point you were making in your post.

Thanks for the link, dj

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI&feature=youtu.be

It's what every sensible person was saying.

Badenkate, I didn't use Churchill, as an excuse for anything. I take exception, to the suggestion. I voted to remain, but that is irrelevant. All I said, was we had a wonderful leader, which we've been sadly lacking for decades. He wouldn't have listened to, or countenanced, all the whinging and moaning, I've read on thes pages

And at least it's only 20 minutes long!

He supported lots of things that fullfact have been saying and he also debunked the claim about experts quite forcefully.
Those people who should read it will not, though.

I know many here don't believe in lisening to experts- Gove didn't want you to, Farage neither. But this man is an expert- and he warned people but wasn't heard. And now he is explaining the consequences, calmly and expertly- so I'd urge you to take the time to listen to him:

youtu.be/0dosmKwrAbI

But once they have triggered leave, they won't be able to negotiate will they? I'm not going to support this disaster, the Brexiters can get on with it. Im not holding my breath about the £100m a week, we'll be in such an economic mess, but we'll hold them to account. Didn't Gove in the campaign say we should be more like Albania? looks like that might come to pass.

Chilling.

Given the state of Britain today, Andy Beckett's column in the Guardian today fills me with much trepidation...

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/margaret-thatcher-brexit-thatcherism-leave-1980s

Gove has just promised us £100m a week to the NHS by 2020, now that we are on the way out of the EU.

www.theguardian.com/uk

Gove has spoken, and to paraphrase Capt. Piquard of the Starship Enterprise, surely that will "make it so"!

Surely not Durhamjen - didn't they say we were "taking back control" - clearly we'll have to tell the EU what we will settle for.

Boris, Dave, Andrea, Nige, Michael and others said so, so it must be right eh?

Except, railman, that anything that Cameron negotiated has gone. They will have to renegotiate for everything.

I agree Tegan. This is not the result I wanted or worked for, I have no idea what those who voted out want, and I see no reason why I should fight for their ill-defined views. I accept that this is what has been decided but there is nothing that says I have to do anything but passively observe.

This is nothing like 1939. Then we were faced with a clear danger to our country's existence and (almost) everyone joined together in fighting against a cruel and despotic enemy who was threatening the whole of Europe. In 2016 we have decided to turn our backs on a united Europe for various ill-thought-out reasons. Don't use Churchill to argue the case for leaving the EU - he was founder of a 'United Europe Movement' and was never a Little Englander.

A lot of the politicians on all sides have spoken about migration to the UK being OK, so long as you have a job before you get here, and with a restriction on any in-work benefits under a 4-year wait rule.

But what if you choose to come here to live in retirement, as some British immigrants have done when they went to live in say, Spain? If they didn't have a job, would they still be permitted to buy property and live in the UK?

And, what if we chose to move to retire in France, Netherlands, etc., would those negotiating the terms of leaving the EU include the options for Brits wanting to retire to another country?

Yes, Balini, you might consider our backs were against the wall, and as Trisher said, the Americans came over and "lent a hand".

The "lent" bit included the "lease lend" arrangement for equipment and materials that the UK was still paying for in the 1960s and 70s, whilst we were desperately trying to rebuild the country, including rebuilding and re-equipping the railways.

We did "get on with it" to a great extent, but of course we paid proportionately more in Tax and NI contributions, and we had rather more manufacturing as our core industry base than we do today.

60% of the UK GDP is from the services sector, and most of that from financial services - it is much easier to relocate services work to the country with either lower taxes, or tariff free access to resources, including people.

A post referendum survey from the IOD (Institute of Directors) revealed some interesting results:

Nearly two-thirds (64 percent) of IoD members think the result is negative for their business, against 23 percent who think it is positive (only 9 percent say it makes no difference);

A third (32 percent) say hiring will continue at the same pace, but a quarter (24 percent) will put a freeze on recruitment, and 5 percent will make redundancies;

1 in 5 (22 percent) are considering moving some of their operations outside of the UK; only 1 percent say they will bring operations back.

From the last point I wonder when Mr Dyson will move his workforce back to the UK, or will the world suddenly be inundated with more of Mr Bamford's earth moving equipment.

This whole process is going to be long and drawn out I feel, and despite Mark Carney finding yet more cash behind the BoE's sofa to stabilise the banks, businesses are busy doing detailed updates to their risk assessment and business continuity planning.

It may be some time before any real changes are seen.

I didn't want this and don't have the heart to fight for it.....let those who wanted it fight for the sort of country they now want.

Of course there were the Americans who came over and lent a hand-don't think they are going to do that now! Oh and to be historically accurate in 1939 we were part of a Europe fighting Hitler, not on our own, that wasn't until 1941 when the Nazis had over run Europe.

In 1939, our backs were to the wall. We didn't moan and groan, and stick our head in the sand. We got on with it and won in the end. The only difference then, we had a magnificent leader. Winston Churchill, warts and all. If you want anything, you must fight for it.

Some insurers will only insure you if you have a valid EHIC I believe.
There must be insurers who will insure without the EHIC because they insure people who travel beyond the EU.
However, knowing what insurance companies are like, they probably give a cheaper rate because they will share the cost, ie when DD had some goods stolen when she was working in the EU, the cost was shared between her travel insurance and our home insurance!!

His card has expired....what concerned me was that the girl at the P.O. hadn't got a clue about what the situation was now. Some insurers will only insure you if you have a valid EHIC I believe.

The website has probably crashed because people are making enquiries or trying to renew their cards.

I think it's right they don't have a vote after fifteen years living abroad. They're not living with it all are they? Just having property here and paying taxes isn't the same, by a long way.

Of course the blue card is still valid. We haven't invoked the thingie yet, and then there's the two years.