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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

M0nica Wed 29-Jun-16 20:03:16

EHICs are valid until we leave the EU, or they kick us out.

We have voted to leave the EU but have not yet taken any action to do so. We will still be paying our dues to the EU and are still entitled to everything that every other citizen of an EU country is entitled to.

harrigran Wed 29-Jun-16 19:52:13

My sister has lived abroad for 48 years but paid contributions here right up to her retirement. She owns a property in the UK and pays tax here too, she never gets a vote because of the 15 year rule.

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:50:28

Insurance for a young, healthy person should be quite minimal and worth taking out in any case.

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:49:16

I didn't realise that people who had lived abroad for more than 15 years weren't allowed to vote
That's right, DD was not able to vote although she keeps an eye on what is happening over here.

As for EHIC - I was discussing this today with a friend and we both thought it would be invalid. The website is down, apparently.

M0nica Wed 29-Jun-16 19:27:19

If someone has lived abroad for 15 years they are likely to be out of touch with what is happening in this country at grass roots level. I see every reason why they do not have the vote. For most of them who willhave been resident in one country for that time, their decision to stay there, either for work reasons or personal, by definition means a detachment for the UK

I do wonder how many of them are paying UK taxes. Most countries require foreign nationals who have lived in their country for more than a year or so to pay tax intheir country of domicile. The concept of 'non-domiciles' is a particularly British concept.

Although those who retired and moved abroad or spent part of their working careers in Britian will be in receipt of British pensions would know that the value of their pension will fluctuate with exchange rates and they will have, or should have taken that into account when they made the decision to move.

Mamie Wed 29-Jun-16 16:18:59

Of course he should be able to renew it Tegan. Nobody has left anything yet.
We don't know, and won't know for some time what will happen to our health cover as permanent residents in France. The UK will have to sort it out with all the other countries as there are (I think) 3 million Europeans in the UK and 2.5 million UK citizens in the EU. They may decide to continue the reciprocal agreement, or we may have to pay 8% of our income to be fully in the French system, or we may lose it all together. Private health insurance is hugely expensive and impossible for anyone with a pre-existing condition like hypertension, so that will rule out many older people. In which case be prepared for a lot of people returning, who will almost certainly not to be able to sell their houses for a long time. Then there is the drop in income to manage because of the exchange rate, which will be very hard for some.
People keep telling me to be positive, but I am struggling a bit!

Tegan Wed 29-Jun-16 16:01:28

Have done breeze;the manager at another PO spoke to me....it can be done online. Thanks.

breeze Wed 29-Jun-16 15:53:26

Think P.O. girl could be wrong Tegan. I watched the travel expert on BBC breakfast just after the results, about the practicalities, and he said nothing would change re passports and the European health card until we leave (and the issuing of new passports would probably be phased in anyway). Which can't be for 2 years, plus. Check again with someone with more authority, as you wouldn't want your son travelling without the correct cover. I'm pretty sure he said they are still valid and could still be applied for.

Tegan Wed 29-Jun-16 11:11:24

I didn't realise that people who had lived abroad for more than 15 years weren't allowed to vote, even though they pay tax here. Their pension is transferred into euros and they are getting far less since last week. And they will no longer be getting health care. The woman being interviewed was distraught.My son needs to renew his European health cover as he's going away later this week (he doesn't know about this); we've just been told at the Post Office that it can't be renewed...we assume the girl at the post office has got it wrong.Just the beginning of no one knowing what the hells going on.

Elegran Wed 29-Jun-16 10:33:01

An old saying - "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance".

daphnedill Wed 29-Jun-16 06:28:35

It seems the petition has been hi-jacked by bots. It's a shame the idea in the poll wasn't adopted in the first place and, of course, it's ironic that it was originally set up by a Leaver. At least it's made mes mile a bit. Cameron has, in any case, ruled out a second referendum.

The important thing now is that people get their heads together and make sure that any new government does do what Leave campaigners promised and hold them to account if they don't. We, the electorate, also need to be more aware about any changes to the law they try to sneak in which make our lives worse.

People allegedly voted for 'control' and 'democracy'. They should damned well makes sure they use control and democracy wisely. I'm not holding my breath!

Anya Wed 29-Jun-16 06:10:27

You've missed my point DJ to vote in UK elections and this referendum you needed to be a UK citizen. So those who were not even entitled to vote in the first instance were among those petitioning in that useless 'let's have a rematch' petition.

durhamjen Tue 28-Jun-16 20:28:56

There is world trade, CelticRose. I am surprised you haven't noticed how much we get from Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA.
In fact, if you dispute the idea of world trade, just go and look at the wine aisle in your nearest supermarket.

CelticRose Tue 28-Jun-16 20:15:46

Also, whilst I think about it... . I wonder if the politicos and uber rich will just keep playing the game until we "exit" (this earthly coil) naturally and the rest forget the result of the referendum. I would so liked to have seen world trade in my lifetime. Open the Whiteway and Ridgeway once again!

CelticRose Tue 28-Jun-16 20:08:58

As mentioned - we are not out until Art 50 is signed. Which is as and when a lucky PM decides. There is no deadline to do this even after a positive referendum. Then we have two years of putting Brexit in place. As mentioned - what politician wants "to do this s..t". Certainly not Mr C. (By the way... his expletive - not mine.)

Judthepud2 Tue 28-Jun-16 19:57:50

Farage's comments to the EURO MEPs isn't going to help UK cause one bit. Telling the entire assembly that they have never worked a day in their lives is not going to help negotiations, methinks ?

crun Tue 28-Jun-16 17:45:13

Milligan's thoughts on Brexit

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 16:23:29

grin

I loved the reprimand to the MEPs not to behave like UKIP usually does.

The look on the face of the woman sitting behind Farage said it all.

There's another video with Guy Verhofstadt - that man's a star!

crun Tue 28-Jun-16 16:20:09

I see Farage has been making Britain grate again in Brussels today.

Jane10 Tue 28-Jun-16 15:33:10

Outrage on outrage. Carney has done a terrific job. Farage's judgement is fatally impaired.

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 10:49:57

Both Farage and Ress-Mogg called for Carney's resignation...for...err...telling the truth.

Judthepud2 Tue 28-Jun-16 10:11:10

Sack Mark Carney? Did Farage really say that? ? What a 'fuckwit'! MC is the only person in this increasingly nasty mess who has done something practical to stop UK going down the financial sinkhole.

WilmaKnickersfit Tue 28-Jun-16 08:23:49

granjura that blog sums up my feelings. I've always loved the word fuckwits.

Gracesgran Tue 28-Jun-16 08:07:10

Grandura the article says it all. Copied and pasted wherever I can think of. Thank you.

Cath9 Tue 28-Jun-16 00:57:33

I'm going to get an Irish passport as my brother lives in Spain