Ok, we are out, what now?

Great blog, granjura! I wish I'd written it too. It's worth reading.

In DH's words utter s****. A man of few words!!

Well that's England out now.

Brilliant, that, granjura.Going to pass it on to all on facebook.

That as you say could have been written by me.

Now this is a bit long, perhaps- but i could (well I wish) have written it myself:

katyboo1.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/happy-now/

we can again become Great Britain
You mean that Ireland will become one again then?
I suppose that is feasible as Northern Ireland did vote to remain.

Those "" round were should have been ^^

There "were" people who were wavering and said that the video sent them towards remain, ob I can't remember who offhand.

You say you didn't watch it - so how do you know that it wouldn't have clarified things for you?

Icouldn't believe it on here that talking for hours about listening to a 25 minute, was the way they thought would persuade people who didn't know how to vote, to vote remain, in the days right before the referendum vote. Or even getting me to listen to it all. What good was that supposed to do?

The point about listening to someone who is impartial and knows something about what he is talking about, is that he stated quite clearly much of what is coming to light now, e.g. Free movement of labour being the price for being part of the free trade area, the "lie" of the £350k a week being freed up for the NHS, the ramifications and difficulties of the UK extricating itself from the EU, all things which will be causing sleepless nights for those tasked with the negotiations. He perhaps didn't predict the political chaos we are now in and would no doubt have been accused of Project Fear if he had.
If you prefer to go into a vote without any information, so be it, but there are a heck of a lot of disenchanted LEAVE voters being quoted as saying now "we didn't realise"
Stop reducing things to Left/Right factions, if you truly believe the correlation it is clear you still don't understand.
So "what good " might it have done? Well information is usually strength, ignorance sadly, not.

Anya, you do not have to be an EU citizen to vote on it, just have UK residency or be a British citizen.

You can be a UK resident without having EU citizenship.

Elegran, I haven'ta clue what the Sun said. I never read it.

The ones who were clarified were not the ones who were going to change their minds! That is crun's and my point.

I dont think understanding will come, which is to some other peoples' benefit.

That would be funny alice if it wasn't so true and worrying

If a poem doesn't appear here then I have failed to copy and paste. Will try again if so.

Varian I, personally know, 3 people who do not have EU citizenship who have voted on that petition. Three might not seem very many, but my circle of friends and acquaintances is not that extensive so that's quite significant.

Not all those urging you to read it were from the left, by the way. About equal left and right, with several who didn't say which way they leaned, as far as I can remember.

This has NOT been a vote that went by party allegiances.

Well, it might have enlightened you about what you were about to vote on, ob. It did clarify things in some people's minds, they posted saying how readable and logical it was.

Did you object as much to the Sun telling you reasons to vote one way or another, with less objectivity or inside knowledge, and a lot of myths?

crun, I agree with you about the left preaching to the converted, and not reaching out to others.

I couldn't believe it on here that talking for hours about listening to a 25 minute, was the way they thought would persuade people who didn't know how to vote, to vote remain, in the days right before the referendum vote. Or even getting me to listen to it all. What good was that supposed to do?

Voters give Boris enough rope to hang himself.

Apparently the petitions committee have disallowed 77,000 names but that still leaves over 3 million genuine ones.

The allegation that only 400,000 are genuine is yet another lie from UKIP

"That wellknown Tory, Laura Kuenssberg?"

If the point at issue is whether documents have been leaked, then it ought to be obvious that you don't prove they haven't by proving that Kuenssberg is a Tory. The calendar leaked to Huffpost shows him either on holiday of not campaigning for 27 out of the 52 days leading up to the referendum.

Corbyn allies counter the criticism by saying that he was more in tune with Labour voters’ worries about the EU than many of his own MPs and that his ‘reluctant Remainer’ stance was in tune with much of the nation.

What a barmy argument. If you're trying to get people to vote Remain you need to persuade them, not agree with the ones who are reluctant. This is typical of the looney left, they think the way to win elections is by preaching to the converted rather than by persuading floating voters. It's the same now with the leadership, he thinks the answer is to be popular with the extremists who elected him rather than with the floating voters who could win him the next election.

"Interesting they thought Junker was the wrong man for the job."

Juncker didn't exactly do the EU any favours by flouncing out when Katya Adler asked him if other countries might follow Britain.

EU money has been crucial over the years to the success of businesses and regeneration projects in most of our severely deprived areas. It has given work to those who have skills already but because of their caring responsibilities been prevented from moving to/working in different geographical areas. It has given hope to countless young people by providing skills/education/training to enable them to become financially independent. It is therefore really important that any funds we do not now pay out to Brussels continue to support such worthwhile schemes away from Westminster - as well as improving our NHS. And the people who live in and know those areas should be able to decide what schemes are worthwhile and how best to enable them to continue. We must speak up for our children's futures. What has happened has made more of the younger generation distrust us.

Just heard Boris say that those EU citizens living here and UK citizens living in the EU have their rights protected.

"First will be the negotiation of the withdrawal terms themselves. These will likely include, for example, an agreement on the rights of UK citizens already resident in other member states and of EU citizens resident in the UK. As Professor Sionaidh Douglas-Scott has explained, those rights – contrary to what some have said – are for the most part not protected under existing international law."

This is from the Constitution Unit.
He's not listening to them, then.

Thanks, Jud. Good to know that somebody else reads them. Strangely enough we do not have a constitution, but people take notice of the Constitution Unit.

"The Constitution Unit conducts timely, rigorous, independent research into constitutional change and its consequences. Our research has significant real-world impact, informing policy-makers engaged in constitutional reform both in the United Kingdom and around the world."

Hopefully Brexit will take notice of these experts, but I am not holding my breath. I wonder who they will take notice of.

Thanks for that last very interesting article Durhamjen. There is going to be a lot of midnight oil burnt in Whitehall for some years. Leaving the EU is such a complicated task. Gives me a headache just thinking about it?