Corbyn and No Confidence

Surely not Jen

POGS isn't answering, though, Annie.

I read the a Canary article earlier today. Recently, It's felt like living in a Shakespearean tragedy politically, so much intrigue, accusation and counter intrigue. I remember the early eighties well and feel we're going back to the kind of double dealing and control by trots that dominated then. Istill so distressing. The country needs politicians who are prepared to compromise, to seek consensus not folks like Gove or Boris on one side and Corbyn and McD on the other

Apparently, Corbyn is waiting for the Chil. Rep. to use his parliamentary privilege status to call for Blair to be indicted as a war criminal. Perhaps he will go after that?

Even indited.

I was never in favour of Corbyn being the leader of the Labour party but, as I found the others less than inspiring I hoped that he would be the breath of fresh air that he appeared to. I'd been one of the Labour Party members who voted for Michael Foot many years ago and regretted that decision; likewise Ed over David although I was no longer a member at that point. The S.O.is Lib/Dem and, right from the start commented on the fact that someone who always tended to vote with his conscience appeared to be coming down heavy with people who voted against him. I still felt hopeful that a return to Party roots was a good thing. But during the referendum campaign I never felt that he was wholeheartedly behind remaining in Europe; he may have spoken eloquently at meetings but I, and an awful lot of people didn't hear that. He should have stood on a platform with Cameron...I really don't know what he hoped to achieve by refusing to do so. It's all very well to say that the majority of Labour voters voted to remain, but it was just preaching to the converted and a party leader needs to be able to put the argument forward and win over people that think otherwise. I feel very let down by him and don't feel he is a strong enough person to lead his party and help the country out of this mess we're now in.

I do think his resignation will cause as many problems as it solves. I think a substantial number of people became politically involved because he was seen as a breath of fresh air. They will see his removal as another example of corrupt and self serving politicians getting their own way and will be disillusioned with democracy. What actions they will then take I don't know.

Your spelling was correct the first time, scottie.

Corbyn only appears when he doesn't have to face hecklers , so sad because I have heard him in the past at anti war protests and he could hold his own then. I didn't like his aids hustling him away when he was about to speak to a reporter , think it was last Friday. His aids will not allow fellow MP's to speak to him in his office .

To put the party through this because he wants to attack Blair on Wednesday is so wrong , he is free to do this anyway.

We need a leader to replace him who can take the flack and not hide away or have the likes of MacDonald to speak for him .

To accuse him of causing the Brexit result is ridiculous but he should have said he wanted out, if he was speaking the truth that he had changed his mind he should done so much more to help the remain campaign . He let his second shadow cabinet down and I don't blame them for resigning . He is leader so should lead from the front not behind MacDonald and his momentum aids

@Tegan

I'm not sure that the majority of Labour supporters outside London, Scotland and a few big cities DID vote to remain. I haven't seen the figures, but I think the rural areas and small/medium towns in the Midlands and North were solidly Leave, including Birmingham, which surprised me. Labour needs to get them back before they go to Ukip.

There's something terribly wrong when people go from Labour to UKIP.

Anniebach Emily Thornberry on TV this morning said that stories Tom Watson was not being allowed to see Corbyn were false and the 2 had travelled together. Is it possible stories are being spun that are untrue?

Tegan There's nowhere else for them to go.

Possible trisher , he did speak to him last Monday, but why didn't MacDonald deny the reports later in the week that aids said Corbyn was a 70 year old man and they would not allow him to be bullied so denied a meeting. And one Welsh MP who isn't involved in this get him out plan was denied a meeting later in the week . Did she say where they had travelled to last week? I can see if I can find out where Tom got to

Jaywick on the Essex coast is the third most deprived ward in the country (behind two wards in Liverpool and Manchester). It has an unemployment rate of 45% and is nearly all White British, but has two Ukip councillors. It also has Douglas Carswell (Ukip) as its MP. What does that tell you?

A statement from Corbyn's Minders, who won't let him talk to anyone;
He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care …

In the Welsh elections this May labour lost only one seat now have twenty nine . Plaid gained one, Libs lost four , Tories lost three , UKIP had seven, as the labour loss went to Plaid it was the Libs and Tories who lost to UKIP

Think they would get his age right

If I were a conspiracy theorist I might be thinking that the campaign to remove Corbyn, before the Chilcott enquiry comes out was organised and run by the friends of Tony Blair !!??

Tom Watson has been kidnapped.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tom-Watson-/131863819905?hash=item1eb3b23681:g:H04AAOSwZ1BXdQy~

Sorry, now lost or broken.
I think it went up to £60,000+ yesterday, didn't it, daphne?

durhamjen/anniebach 11.10. /11.12. /11.41

Why are you so childish? We don't all wake up in the morning with bugger all to do except attack posters on GN.

I am one of those evil people why voted Conservative at the last 2 General Elections, however I am not a Conservative member nor activist , unlike the pair of you , although I do wonder which party you belong to durhamjen as over the years you have 'told ' GN'ers to vote this party then another but it was never Labour. Your dislike of New Labour has been well and truly noted by anybody who follows the politics forums.

Perhaps I may be allowed to 'speak for myself' Durhamjen as to why I said "I hope he stays"

I hope Corbyn stays because I want people to see what the far left of politics are like. The far left have been out of the political arena to a degree since the days of Militant and Derick Hatton and co but have found a resurgence since Corbyn and McDonnell have gained leadership in Labour. No matter how much protestation is put forward Momentum is the new Militant for this generation.

I want Corbyn to stay as Leader as a democratic vote was taken and I believe he has a right to stay on as Leader until those who are stating they have 'no confidence' in him have the guts to do something about it. Mind you a democratic vote theses days seems to be easily tossed aside by some who don't get there way!

I want Corbyn to stay in because I am interested to see how the unions and the activists/grass roots behave. My guess they will go for the jugular and those MP's that don't toe the line will be threatened with deselection, nothing new there.

I want Corbyn to stay as I think it would be healthy for a future General Election if there was a 'known and understood' division between the 2 main parties for the electorate to vote on.

I don't know how you can possibly compare Corbyn with Derek Hatton. For a start, Hatton wore smarter suits. Secondly, Hatton was an opportunist and hypocrite, which I don't anybody could accuse Corbyn of being. Thirdly, Hatton was confrontational, whereas I doubt Corbyn could confront a paper bag.

Iam 64. 07.48

" Not very patriotic there POGS, if you love your country, surely we all want the best politicians we can find to represent us"

Please don't accuse me of not being patriotic or not loving my country.

You give the impression in your post Corbyn is not up to the job and the Labour party might disintegrate. That is up to the Labour Party as to how they behave but it is also not good for the Labour Party to be so divided between the grass roots/activists and the Parliamentary Labour Party either. As with the Conservative Party, division is not healthy but sometimes inevitable if the divide is as wide as the Ozone Layer.

The electorate are watching all of them Labour and Conservative and they are not as foolish as some believe them to be. The behaviour ,common sense , unity will be a marker as to how we might vote in the future. It should be all about policy but behaviour does enter into the psyche and they will all do well to remember that.

If the choice is between Corbyn and a right-wing Conservative Party, I'll vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party.