Corbyn and No Confidence

Annie, is he being set up?

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/07/03/beware-of-anti-corbyn-smears-like-this/

Why Owen Smith , he did't become an MP untill 2010 , he and Angela are rumoured to be standing against Jeremy but not Hilary, Angela and Hilary were in the house when the Iraq war started but not Owen Smith. Angela and Owen resigned but
Hilary was sacked . Am I being stupid? I have never been one for conspiracy theories , there is something so odd about this though. Set up? no, used ? Possibly

There's a thread on Sky about Corbyn being heckled at a Gay Pride event. It's the normal stuff I would expect from Sky, but some of the comments underneath are interesting.

news.sky.com/story/1717447/corbyn-heckled-over-eu-vote-its-your-fault

I'm never sure how many comments after articles in the media are trolling, lying, boasting, stirring or whatever, but they're still interesting.

One theme which keeps coming up is that people paid their £3 membership for the Labour Party and voted for Corbyn to bring down the Labour Party. That sounds a bit conspiracy-theory like, but I've come across it on two other threads in the last couple of days, one of them being a UKIP Facebook page. They're also claiming they're going to try and get Leadsom voted as Conservative leader, but if they fail, they'll target the Conservatives as well.

They're boasting that they voted for Corbyn, because they thought he was hopeless and would lose voters, particularly in the North, and claiming they're going 'to finish Labour off'.

It all sounds incredible, but I know extremist political groups do this kind of thing. My mother had a friend (my godmother) who used to write hundreds of letters to the local press and councils to stir up trouble about 'lefties' and 'people of colour'. Is this the modern version of that?

What on earth is going on? Is it possible that people used the £3 membership to manipulate the vote for the Labour leader? You know more than I do about the Labour Party than I do, ab and dj, could it be true?

PS. The article on The Canary about Blairite conspirators has been debunked in the New Statesman.

The fallout from all this is that it helped Brexit to win the referendum! You couldn't make it up!!

I think it is entirely possible, dd, that the £3 membership stunt (a legacy of Ed Miliband?) used for electing Labour Party leader has been used in a manipulatory manner. Only the other day I read an article by a long-time Labour supporter and ex-member (who only left the Party when he became a reporter) imploring people to join the LP and vote for a better leader than Corbyn.

"Already, the 172 MPs are trying to recruit new members. The race is on to create a new Labour party, much like the old one. This is a historic fight and it is one in which you, dear reader, can help. For a mere £3 here is an offer you cannot refuse. Help to repair a venerable national institution. Think of it like donating to the appeal of a dilapidated country house which needs a new caretaker. The current guy actually looks like he should be employed as a caretaker but he isn’t. He’s an undertaker and he could be hours away from burying his party." Philip Collins

lies , fear and racism won the referendum

...and money!

I've been reading over the last few days about how much money was spent on the Leave campaign. Farage's poster, which must have cost hundreds of thousands, didn't count as part of the campaign, because it was a UKIP poster . So far, it's been estimated Leave had at least £11 million. The limit is supposed to be £700,000.

Leave's marketing was just so slick with the same slogans eg 'Take back control' pushed in our faces like brainwashing.

I'm not sure what happened in other constituencies, but here everyone who applied for £3 membership was vetted as much as possible and we certainly found some who were known for other political beliefs. Long established party members who have lived in the constituency for many years soon get to know activists from other parties.

We realised how much money had been spent on the campaign when we saw how many huge posters were put up in Yorkshire as we were driving through; things like that aren't cheap.

MacDonald on radio now. Corbyn is enjoying this fight . Nice to know not only the Tories and the media are enjoying it .

The only 'campaigning' I 'absorbed' was intelligent articles from both sides of the debate that occurred in the broad sheet newspapers. So my Leave vote was not 'won' by lies or fear or racism. I can't be the only voter in this position.

I was aware of the ukip poster and the Leave campaign bus but I thought them both populist rubbish. I can't be the only one thinking that either.

I think, therefore, that the claim that the referendum was won on lies, fear and racism is more populist nonsense complete bullshit.

Same here, thatbags. I thought I was the only person in the country who didn't watch any of the debates, although I watched some snippets on iplayer. there weren't any posters in my town, but in the next one, I saw loads of those thingies like 'for sale' signs outside houses, including some Britain First ones. I was aware of the massive billboards and, of course, the battle bus with its £350,000 million, because I saw photos in the papers. I do, however, spend far too long reading online every day, including newspapers, blogs and subversive sites.

I don't agree with you that it wasn't won on lies, fear and racism. It's known for a fact that lies (£350,000, freedom of movement, Turkey) were told. There was a subliminal message about racism in the scare stories about immigration and it was plain to see in loads of social media sites (not GN). What do you think the intention of Farage's poster was if it wasn't to scare people that we're about to be overrun by thousands of immigrants? Leave ran a highly slick marketing campaign.

Even on GN, there were so many myths, which quite plainly weren't true and if anybody tried to point out the facts, they were accused of looking down on people and being patronising. By the way, what's happened to 'practical' with our daily dose from the Daily Express?

I was going to ask about practical; I suppose the success of his/her incredibly eloquent campaign to get a leave vote means that he/she doesn't need to come on here now.Which is a pity because I'd like to hear his/her plan for the future.

Hmm, well it still seems to me that there is a continuing attempt to de-legitamise over seventeen million votes. It's as if no-one had concerns before the referendum campaign began and were only influenced by the rubbish campaigning and not by the intelligent stuff.

This patronising pattern keeps repeating itself. It's essentially saying, over and over again, that people are stupid, or ignorant, or both, with a large dose of rabid prejudice thrown in.

There may be a small minority like that. I will never believe it is most people.

I don't suppose you have any more evidence than I do how many people didn't really have a clue what they were voting for or voted for something that turned out to be a myth. All I do know is that SOME people did, unless they've been lying through their teeth in interviews and on social media (and I don't really see why they would do that).

I only know two people in real life who've admitted to voting Leave, which is hardly a big enough sample to come to any conclusions.

No, only a million or so votes!

Angela Eagle has said again this morning she will stand against Corbyn. Perhaps it will all kick off after Wednesday . If Corbyn does on Wednesday as is reported he may well finish off the Labour Party ,

Maybe we'll find out one day what's really been going on. It all seems a tad creepy.

Wonder where the power and money lies

This may interest you

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-chilcot-report-latest-news-alex-salmond-a

thatbags. 09.39

"This patronising pattern keeps repeating itself. It's essentially saying, over and over again, that people are stupid, or ignorant, or both, with a large dose of rabid prejudice thrown in"

Very true with racist, xenophobic thrown into the mix also. The irony is by attacking 'the voter' with the use of these words both before and most certainly after the vote it has the effect of ' the voter' wondering who the hell can I give my vote to now? This has been a particular issue with those to the left of politics and the continuance of this thought process to belittle or attack those who voted to leave the EU is likely to be remembered in the next General Election.

Exactly * POGS* people have long memories about things like this, and will drive even more Labour supporters into the arms of UKIP.

Anniebach

"Wonder where the power and money lies"

The Unions will be dominant . So many Labour MP's have their job thanks to the Unions.

The division between the Unions/grass roots/ activists and the Parliamentary Labour Party have been reported for ages. A recent example is the Durham Miners Gala who call Labour MP's 'traitors'.

Questions have been asked , could Labour split. Answer Labour is split.

m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/14587812.Anti_Corbyn___39_traitors__39__not_welcome_at_Durham_Miners__39__Gala/

Rosesarered, in the Welsh elections it was Tory and Libs who lost their seats to UKIP not labour